So much for NO tea party racism: Mark Williams expelled from National Tea Party Federation

I doubt however that the Tea Party can cleanse it's name before the 2010 elections. It will really cost them due to the extremists that they claim represent their values. Individuals such as Sharon Angle and Rand Paul, Doug Hoffman and the Chicken lady. It will cause the GOP to lose come November when the Tea Party can't get elected. The GOP has some success but not enough to over come the losses by the Tea Party.

I actually wrote an article on this exact subject friday if you have a moment to read it. Currently I am browsing through your previous seeds. If you have any suggestions as to which you thought were the best I'd be more than happy to check them out.

This is the link to the article I wrote. Check it out if you get a chance. I'd love some feed back from you.
http://onevoiceamongmany.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/16/4691657-the-tea-party-and-the-gops-divorce-the-century-cycle-

onevoiceamongmany--

Sharon Angle I will not bother with, after her crack about abortion, not that I even know what the heck else she has said, that was enough for me.

But what Rand Paul said has been blown well beyond out of proportion and spun to the ridiculous extreme.

I think what sucks is the GOP hijacked the Tea Party Movement too much. They share some similar elements and ideas, but the Tea Party in truth is not the GOP and I am sorry they got hijacked by them. I am sorry the Tea Party was smeared so badly by the left as well.

Rand Paul and his interview on Rachel Maddow and his defense of racism in the private business is a libertarian view that in theory makes sense but in reality does not. Many libertarian viewpoints can be filed in this category. Under Libertarianism there would almost be no central government what so ever in which a country such as ours with its size and power would not function. There would not be enough power to condemn powerful companies such as BP or Massey Energy. There would be no room to write regulation against institutions such as the corrupt Wall Street. NASA and the space agency would have never come to fruition if Libertarianism was the main ideology of America after world war II.

I think some of his policies such as a revision of the Fed if not abolition of have some merit. However it takes it to a degree that our nation could not sustain if fully enacted.

All that being said it was inevitable that the GOP was going to hijack the Tea Party. We live in a two party system in which those that control do not want to give up their duopoly and will absorb any movement that comes to being within their ideological premise.

I wrote an article the other day on the GOP and the Tea Party and a possible outcome of the schism that I believe will happen between the two. There is a link on comment 2.2 that if you are interested in reading I would love your feedback.

Kshark - The GOP did not "hijack" the Tea Party. The GOP is the Tea Party.

Dick Armey as founder and prime mover- Not exactly an independent is he?

Sarah Palin - Well, she did run as the GOP VP candidate, didn't she?

Tom Tancredo - Gosh, he's not an independent either, is he?

Dick Cheney [remember the joyous chanting of "Run Dick Run!!" So do you expect him to run as Ralph Nader's partner? Probably not.

No, the Tea party was born as a loud fringe of the Republican party and that's what it still is. Like it or not.

onevoiceamongmany--

I don't see Rand Paul's comment as being racist at all. Again that is liberal media spin, if you are saying he is racist.

His comment was not about racism it was about discrimination, two different things. And frankly I really cannot disagree with what he said about private businesses.

I'm not really for the Libertarian movement. I don't discard it, just isn't really my cup of tea (no pun intended). Well not all of it.

All that being said it was inevitable that the GOP was going to hijack the Tea Party. We live in a two party system in which those that control do not want to give up their duopoly and will absorb any movement that comes to being within their ideological premise.

NO kidding. But I would rather have a 2 party system than a single party dictatorship of autocratic totaltarian.

I wrote an article the other day on the GOP and the Tea Party and a possible outcome of the schism that I believe will happen between the two. There is a link on comment 2.2 that if you are interested in reading I would love your feedback.

Cool I will check into it.

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proglib--

Well truth be told the Social Security system was a holding area for those employed to pay into then when retired they claim. The Government problem with SS, they robbed it to pay for mainly military and defense expenses. The system is broken, and no one has really wanted to fix it. Medicare I would have to think upon.

But sadly Reid is a horrible choice as well.

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tbart--

Actually no the GOP Hijacked the Tea Party movement. You have got to stop listening to liberal biased media that told you that story. If the Tea Party was the GOP they would not be called the Tea Party movement. They would still be called the GOP.

Where does it say Dick Armey started the movement? I am sure you didn't even know that TPM starting the anger at the end of Bush's time period because they hated the TARP decision.

Who Started The Tea Party movement?

Interesting breakdown with links and videos.

Sarah Palin injected herself into the TPM seeing it was opportunity for her.

Brewing tensions between the Tea Party and GOP

Mich./WACO, Texas/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some Tea Partiers say they can pinpoint the precise moment when they made it clear to the Republican Party they had no intention of being its lapdog.

According to several accounts, not long into the meeting JoAnn Abbott, an activist from Virginia who calls herself the 'Tea Party Grandma,' raised her hand to ask a question.

She asked about a web page on the RNC site where visitors could send their member of Congress a postcard with a tea bag. On the tag at the end of the string were the letters 'RNC.'

"Respectfully, sir, while we do not have a trademark on the tea bag, you are well aware that people associate it with the Tea Party movement," Abbott, 50, recalls saying to Steele. "If you co-opt that image, you damage our brand and weaken our movement."

Lest there was any confusion, she added: "It does not belong to you, it belongs to us as an independent movement."

You can read the rest of the article, but the liberal media again will not report on this.

But Tea Partiers insist that they are not beholden to the GOP and warn that Republican candidates counting on an endorsement from them in November may well be disappointed.

When you stop listening to so much liberal media, maybe you will hear other news.

proglib--

No he believes a PRIVATE business, not a public one.

Rand Paul on 'Maddow' fallout begins

Maddow's question and Rand Paul's words

MADDOW: Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?

PAUL: I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race.

But I think what's important about this debate is not written into any specific "gotcha" on this, but asking the question: what about freedom of speech? Should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent? Should we limit racists from speaking? I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn't mean we approve of it. I think the problem with this debate is by getting muddled down into it, the implication is somehow that I would approve of
any racism or discrimination, and I don't in any form or fashion.

Private business is private business, it is not public business. Private business should not have the Government telling it what it should or should not do unless it is doing something truly criminal.

Kshark

No he believes a PRIVATE business, not a public one.

Bah, semantics. If I'm not mistaken, proglib was referring to a restaurant that openly serves food to the public (you know, where you can just walk on in from the street), not a publicly-owned restaurant. This would differ from something like a private club's restaurant, where you'd need membership to enter and be served. Both are privately owned and operated, but one serves the general public — hence, public restaurant.

In this regard, should such a restaurant be allowed to say "we serve everyone except [insert minority here]"? Personally, I feel it would be a huge step backward in terms of equality and civil rights.

The best part of the "private" clubs that discriminates is we can see whom to avoid.

One thing I really want to ask Kshark: what exactly was the point of #2.9? Was it just a clarification for proglib, even though you agreed with the concept laid out in #2.8, or was it an argument?

If it's an argument, I have a second question: why would you support segregation? Second question doesn't apply if you weren't arguing.

KShark - You can go on about the LibMedia all you want, but I don't get all my info from one source. There is no doubt that: 1] If there was a Tea party before Dick Armey stepped up to flog the idea it was a pretty small affair. 2] The Krew has been all about Sarah Palin and her agenda 3] I haven't heard any attempts at disassociating from Tom Tancredo or Dick Cheney.

You say that if it was just the Republican party it would just be called the Republican party. Guess you forgot how that franchise was kind of left in the ditch the last time you were in power.

Torabu--

And again you did not bother reading what Rand Paul actually said. *shrug*

Answer to Q1) The clarification was that Rand Paul was not actually talking about a restaurant that is privately owned but open to the public. He was referring to such things as private establishments like clubs. Read what he said..

Answer Q2) Who said I supported segregation? You made an assumption. I support private businesses being allowed to do what they wish. Doesn't matter if it is a black owned business, a white own business, whatever business. If a private business has regulations let them have it. Welcome to the First Amendment.

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tbart--

Obviously you are only getting your info from one sector. Had you actually looked up the Tea Party Movement and the information, without me doing it for you. So given I had to provide the information obviously you have only listened to liberal media.

I posted a link on my column about the Tea Party Movement and the GOP. Once again you have not bothered to look things up.

I have never been if power. If I was in power of this country there would be one heck of a massive change of things.

Kshark

Answer to Q1) The clarification was that Rand Paul was not actually talking about a restaurant that is privately owned but open to the public. He was referring to such things as private establishments like clubs. Read what he said..

Speaking of reading, clearly you didn't read my posts. Had you done so, you'd realize I'm not debating the point you're making here. I was also referring to private establishments such as clubs and restaurants (an example would be.. say... Subway). Try not to be too ironic in your responses.

I'll clarify again: when proglib said "public restaurant," (s)he(?) meant a private restaurant that served a public audience (which is really any restaurant that doesn't require a private membership to be served). I'm rather sure this point was made clear in #2.10, with proglib's affirmation in #2.11.

Answer Q2) Who said I supported segregation? You made an assumption. I support private businesses being allowed to do what they wish. Doesn't matter if it is a black owned business, a white own business, whatever business. If a private business has regulations let them have it. Welcome to the First Amendment.

We're talking specifically about whether or not private business should be allowed to implement segregation. You can't have your cake and eat it too on this one. Either you believe segregation shouldn't be allowed, or you're supporting the act of segregation.

The real question is this: should there be a limit as to what a company can do, particularly in the realm of human rights? The First Amendment allows for freedom of speech, not actionable discrimination.

So how about you actually answer the questions, instead of playing weasel games?

But Anderson Cooper (and all of CNN) invited him back. How low is it to give a racist like Williams a forum every time they think their ratings are a little thin. . .

I dunno how "low" it is in their minds. I don't think MSM news outlets can sink much lower than the opinion I already have of them, so....

i suppose they want to expose williams a little bit more for what he is and hopefully discredit his movement a little bit more.

just my opinion.

The Tea Party oddly enough, doesn't mention "race" like the NAACP does...obviously they're not RACIST LIKE THE NAACP.

"Iv already heard Palin denounce racism. Ive never pictured her a racist."

http://www.laprogressive.com/election-reform-campaigns/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%e2%80%9cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%e2%80%9d/

"So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination."

damn... that is pretty much going full tilt racist and misogynist at the same time. Of course, we only have Lucille's word for that... but many in AK see nothing incredible about her statement.

#5.1,Free Mason'

"What does the NAACP do for the Common American", More speciffically, what does the NAACP do for WHITE PEOPLE!"

Well , Let's see. All those nit-wit females in Republican politics these days, Palin,Backmann,Angle,The Chicken lady ect... Should be down on their bending knees thanking the NAACP for fighting for the Civil Righs Act of 1964! Before that historic legislation, A Woman's place was IN THE HOME, and under the subgigation of her husband. After the passage of that legislation, women, BLACK- WHITE and all hues in between, began to be treated as INDIVIDUALS, IRREGARDLESS of gender!

The fact that you even ask that question is indicative of a PRE 1964 world view. For your information, the year is 2010, not pre 1964! I for one, am proud that White Women can now live their lives as free individuals, and not be solely dependant on their white husbands. My god, where have you been for the last 50 years. And if you are not old enough to remember those (NOT SO GOOD OLD DAYS), try the history books. But please stop making Fact-less, outlandish statements! You sound like a Teabagger, the only place I know where facts don't matter; in the minds of Teabaggers!!!

Most people in the tea party admit there is a racist element.

Most do, but some don't. Cases like this are necessary to point out that racism does in fact exist. Some Tea Partiers maintain that every racist Tea Partier we've ever seen has been a liberal infiltrator. Will you join me in telling them how idiotic that idea is?

don't worry, williams proved your point for you.

Free Mason: I am trying to understand this statement that you made:

I'm just glad the Black Community has the NBRA. It shows all be it little. Some diversity in the Black Community.

My best shot is that you see the 'Black Community' as a monoculture that is only now developing 'some diversity'. So, in your view, until now not only did they all look the same but they all thought the same as well? Do you see the white community in the same way?

I am looking for a way to see this as not being totally racist, but not having much success. Maybe you could explain.

I have not seen any conservatives on Newsvine admit that before today

then you have chosen to ignore it.

I doubt Freemason is actually black and even worse, if he is, I doubt he knows his history. You should do some checking up on facts and then you can see the difference between the NAACP and NAAWP. The pit of the ignorance in your statements would swallow an ocean.

Nah, we just like makin' fun of racist teabagger morons. It's so easy with these lunkheads.

Breaking news:

New black panther leader advocates killing white people and their baby's

If true go and tell the two members of the party to expel each other.

@#14.1;

Hehe. How long before your name gets replaced with the word 'deleted', I wonder?

Proglib, not suggesting you would delete the comments, but rather that - as someone who has a long history of watching trolls come and go - this sort of non-value added derailing typically escalates into uncontrollable violation of the ToS and ultimately the user being banned....seen it a thousand times.

The best part is when they then issue a curse-laden demand to admin that they be reinstated.

Yeah. like that works out well....

You're a wise Viner, proglib.....

Snyth -

You are really slobbering over prog.....do you have any opinions about his topic, or is it just a Vine groupie thing?

CNN Producer: Media's Tea Party Stereotypes 'Don't Tell the Whole Story'?

CNN political producer Shannon Travis surprisingly acknowledged that the mainstream media has stereotyped the Tea Party movement in a Wednesday article on CNN.com: "When it comes to the Tea Party movement, the stereotypes don't tell the whole story." Travis continued by emphasizing positive aspects of the nascent grassroots movement and noting the presence of minorities.

The producer's article, simply titled "Reporter's notebook: What really happens at Tea Party rallies," recounted what he saw during five days of the Tea Party Express's convoy across the nation. He first summarized the slant often found in the media's coverage of the conservative protests: "Here's what you often see in the coverage of Tea Party rallies: offensive posters blasting President Obama and Democratic leaders; racist rhetoric spewed from what seems to be a largely white, male audience; and angry protesters rallying around the Constitution."

After recounting the alleged racial incidents against Representatives John Lewis and Emanuel Cleaver, Travis contrasted the stereotype with what he actually observed: "But here's what you don't often see in the coverage of Tea Party rallies: Patriotic signs professing a love for country; mothers and fathers with their children; African-Americans proudly participating; and senior citizens bopping to a hip-hop rapper."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/04/07/cnn-producer-medias-tea-party-stereotypes-dont-tell-whole-story#ixzz0tycJni9m

Nope. Never run across him before in my life.

So much for your analysis.

As for the topic, I have plenty of opinions, and have written about them. As for the notion of the racist Mark Williams not being representative of the views of the Tea Party astroturf organization, I wonder, then, why they would have hired him as one of their early spokespersons in the first place?

Williams rather grandiloquently portrays himself as a kind of unlikely David battling an amorphous Goliath. The truth, however, is more prosaic because the tea parties are a grass-roots movement only in the sense familiar to those who know their way around California politics, where this whole thing began: The seed money and advice have come from a political action committee headquartered here and called Our Country Deserves Better. It's actually the successor to a PAC formed to defeat Obama in the general election. Williams was hired to work for the original PAC and then moved on to where the next job was.

Synthes....nobody cares if you have or have not "run across" Mr. Travis in your life. The point is...He is a liberal producer from CNN....a staple of the left...he and as you see below many other bonified liberal media people from AP, The San Fran Sentinel...etc, all agree...that you and the idiots who are failing to paint the patriots of the Tea Party Movement are just freaked out about nothing.....LOL.

I said I had never run across Proglib before. Keep up, willya?

Sorry.....

Hi!

I thought the topic was racism and how much we all hate it. Sorry.

However I think its funny how the 1st thing you think about is silinceing people that have a different view or opinion than yours.

I wonder who else would think like that?

Ok,

One really off topic Q, Do you monitor your thread all the time. Better Q how much time do you spend monitoring your thread.

Stop: I know thats two questions.

my opinion and that's what it is just opinion.

the tea party has long been aware of the elements within that would look repulsive to others and tolerated them in their ranks because they needed the numbers of people in order to look like they should be taken seriously. but with mark williams mock letter they found that the opinions and beliefs of some were, after all not good for the party once their true agenda came to the surface. in this case it was a racist faction within their ranks and that snake needed a lobotomy.

...not as long as they idolize Glenn Beck:

Well, if they are serious about giving the party some credency and earn the public's respect and acceptance, they have to rid it of every single demagogue, negative element, and political opprtunist. Many Tea producers have rather seen a decrease in revenue ever since that movement came about. If they think they are only playing games, they need to think again because the people's eyes are wiiiiiiide open.Peace.

#17.3:my opinion and that's what it is just opinion.

As I have said for over a year now, an opinion is all that any of us here on NV have! There might be some scientific data and documentation that supports our opinion. But we, as newsviners, are not proven scientific experts with published data that can be duplicated by other valid, undisputed scientific means, so it is only ALL OPINION!

Some posters on the board want to think that their OPINION means that something is a FACT; and it is NOT! Some people think that what they say is more important that what others say; it is not.

It is only their opinion, which carries no more weight than my opinion. It never has and never will. Individual opinions are all we are espousing here and on any other message board we participate on.

And so profound, a response.

To be profound with one word is much more difficult that to use many. Why criticize a concise response that carries all of the necessary meaning?

So did you also say this about the late Senator Byrd since he was at one time associated with one of the most racial groups in the US. Just wondering?

I just love how the right *always* bring up Sen Byrd in an effort to deflect from the racism in the current Republican Party.

As soon as I hear the old "Sen Byrd was in the KKK, therefore all Dems are racists" I tune them out. If they are *that* ignorant of history of racism in America, even history as recent as 60 years ago then they really have nothing of value to contribute.

Thats interesting. When I hear the left make the charge that I or some organization I belong to or affiliate with is racist, I knowing that I and they are not simply tune them out. There is no point in dialog as long as one side resorts to such blatant nonsense. Making such charges against groups of people when as with any large number of people on every side only a handful could be considered such is simply demagogery. It is best to simply ignore the left and to go about our own business and cease all conversation with them or dialog until they can be civil. It is getting old, the dems projecting their past racism upon us present Republicans/conservatives/tea parties. Until they stop, we can only point out their own racism and otherwise cease all dialog with them and shut them up at the polls in November. We know that we're not racist and there is no point in debating further, feeding these trolls. There should be no more political dialog at all in this country until there can be differences of opinion discussed without one side accusing the other of racism for simply disagreeing with them. As soon as one side brings up race, civil conversation should end.

Thanks for the definitions of the leaders on the left. Those attacking the tea parties are appealing to the emotions and prejudices of their audiences. As to appealing to emotions, Obama clearly qualifies as one.

#19.7:As for the President himself, there's a reason he has earned the sobriquet "No Drama Obama".

And a lot of people are very upset because the President does not get upset and throws fits and hissies like spoiled children (and most repugs) do. These people are so accustomed to seeing people throw tantrums when they get angry, that to them the President is not doing anything unless he is acting like a darn fool just like them!

As the President reminded America when he was "pressured" into saying something to the American people regarding the Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico: this is not the first crisis you have encountered, and it will not be the last! Relax!

I have stated that "just because you are in the front of the parade doesn't mean that you are the leader"; just because you are not screaming and shouting, does not mean that you are not effectuating change! Silence is indeed sometimes golden!

This President has quietly gotten his agenda through without any of the usual hullabaloo and a minimum "gnashing of teeth".

Good for him; it was stated before, it is always good to have an adult parent in the house!

r.b. I am afraid it is a fact of life that anyboy who complains or faults Obama is considered racist. I bet Senator Byrd had a difficult time accepting Obama.

I bet Senator Byrd had a difficult time accepting Obama.

That is not what the public record shows... we can only speculate about how Byrd felt privately... However, he renounced his racist past and appeared to have a very good working relationship with Obama.

Sure......believe Byrd but not Powell.....Wow..

I have read the words of both Byrd (when he renounced his racist past) and Powell (when he renounced his efforts to rally for the war). I believe both accounts and in both cases they are first person, not what was reported by others. Where is the inconsistency?

I actually have voted for Alan Keys for President in the GOP Primary in my state in 1996. I'd vote for any of the GOP African American candidates currently running for congress if they were running in my district. I'd have voted for Blackwell for Governor and Steele for senator had I lived in those states. The bottom line is issues, ideas, and values, not skin color or gender. Content of character as Martin Luther King once said.

Yes, I mean him. Alan Keyes. I didn't agree with all he ever said but he was the best choice I had in 1996. I'd also vote for Star Parker if I lived in southern California instead of northern California. I like Project 21 and the Congress Of Racial Equality. They are fine people worthy of support for their objectives. I also enjoyed the way the head of the Black Chamber of Commerce dealt with Barbara Boxer at a congressional hearing.

To my knowledge I didn't ever vote for Keyes over Obama as they never ran directly against each other for President and I don't live in Illinois where I could have done so in a senate race. I'd vote for Condi Rice, Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, Major West,or J.C. Watts if they were to run against Obama in 2012. As to the two GOP women running for Governor and US senator in California, they are not that conservative and both beat a more conservative challenger in their GOP primaries. I voted for both of the nominees over their more conservative opponents.

#20.7:If you mean Alan Keyes, I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.

Me either! Keyes has run in a couple of races here in Illinois (one time was against Barack Obama) doing badly each time, thank God.

Talk about your for-hire, paid phony and demagogue, that's Alan Keyes. And he keeps his bags packed for just such "paid events"; he is a paid political whore who hires himself to anybody willing to pay his "fee", just like sara palin! Disgusting, both of them.

#20.12:Keyes ran against Obama for the Illinois Senate in 2004. Obama's 43% margin of victory was the largest in the state history of U.S. Senate elections.

And if other people in Illinois had known more about Barack Obama at that time, this margin would have been even bigger. But Mr. Obama was also just getting his feet wet at the time, spending a lot of time trying to help out the residents of the southeast side after the greedy owners took all of their pension money and also failed on more promises they had made to the people. Mr. Obama was working with the residents to see if he could help them get some of their money back.

Not anymore than your amazing spin on the spin.

So I need to cut and paste from Powell's speech when he endorsed Obama for you to accept his change of heart? Go read it for yourself. Better yet, you tell me why Powell 'turned his back'? What do you think motivated his change of heart?

And you tell me what motivated Byrd's change of heart, if he had one.

Nite....nite.

According to Byrd it was the realization that racism is spawned from hatred and bad for our country and our people.

Like any group, you will find nut cases in it

Newsvine is perfect example....... :D

I'll say SR

From people that think racism only applies to white people, segregationists, cop haters, and I think I ran into a nazi sympathizer once but can't be sure

Definitely got to love the wide reaching internet

They sure did!

The NBPP and the NoI have both been denounced as racist hate groups. There are many people who don't do much thinking for themselves these days. If it didn't come from someone with a syndicated radio/tv talk show or who has their own book deal or webpage/blog, they don't know about it. Most reactionaries simply sit by and wait to be told their opinion so they can then go forth and spread ignorance to the masses.

GOP & eugenics?? I never knew they go together! I have always read that Eugenics was a leftist/elitist thing. Note the following:

*Gore's advocacy of a New World Order as one "who would strip America of its progress and industry, incorporate population control, establish an international police guard to enforce compliance of international laws on the environment, and lead a battalion of interfaith advocates in earth stewardship--rationing the 'sacred' earth's resources."

*http://www.albatrus.org/english/lien_of_oz/one%20world%20government/eugenics_racism_population_control.htm
In the light of contemporary issues it is interesting to note some of the proposals put forward by the Club of Rome as outlined in 1991 by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider- "The First Global Revolution.–Pantheon Books p.115
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution; the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…the real enemy is humanity itself."
So the web of "Population Control" unfolds but one intriguing aspect remains. 20 years before Maurice Strong, Mikhail Gorbachev and Stephen Rockefeller launched their draft of a new "Earth Charter" before the United Nations assembly, a man identified as R.C. Christian contracted the Elberton Granite Finishing Co.22 to erect the Georgia Guide Stones. These stones represent a new [humanistic] ten commandments for ‘Mother Earth’. They embrace 4 principles: 1. Reducing the world population; 2. Promoting environmentalis; 3. Establishing a world government, and 4. Promoting a new [world] spirituality
The 1st Command demanded that a stable world population of just 500,000,000, in perpetual balance with nature, was to be an initial goal.

*"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
- Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor. Despite the fact that Turner himself has 5 children, he has put forward this view a number of times before. “We’re too many people; that’s why we have global warming,” he told PBS’s Charlie Rose in April. “Too many people are using too much stuff.”
In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it." - Jacques Cousteau.
"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund - quoted in "Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?," Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December '95
\ '96
"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license ... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
- David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute - quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet, (p.16
And then there's this: "One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death."
- Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard - member and futurist/strategist of Task Force Delta; a United States Army think tank

you are right the earth does take of itself. doing it right now without the left and right. read the above statement by john t and he is correct on that too. however a little more research will uncover some organizations and foundations that support the GOP and are continuing in their research of trying to create a superior race.

Arisotlesghost racism does suck and I think it is way past time to put it to rest. If a person is anti-gay or feel women are inferior are they racist? No they are not they are simply excluding humans they don't like so labels aren't going to work when equality is what is the issue.

I do not know very much about the Tea Party and unfortunately what I have heard and read is not flattering. I am sorry that the infiltration of self-proclaimed members with personal agendas has highlighted the negative over the positive. I would like to see a solid format for the Tea Party mission so I would be more educated about the movement. I'll google more too.

#26.2:No--they are respectively homophobic or misogynistic, since racism is discrimination based on a person's race rather than sexual orientation or gender.

Thanks, proglib for taking the time to document the differences between the two for those that did not truly know the difference, and needed to know it. I hope this helps in the future.

Ok it is not as if I do not know this as the point I'm trying to get across is the fact that there are plenty of individuals who simply will not accept others. It matters not if it is racist, homophobic misogynist the words used get in the way and fuels a whole different type of debate. We can call out someone that discriminates against others without hate fueled triggers. Race of course is the blatant aspect but the bottom line is there are those willing to cull the herds to make their worlds more comfortable for themselves. They will make up any excuse to entice others to believe they are justified in their rejections so the handicapped; GBLT community and all other minorities are the target. The bottom line is we are all minorities at present. Just because you are White doesn't make you exempt. If you are a poor white you are worthless along with a myriad of others not up to par on the level with this type of person. This is what I am saying a target is a target and racism is only a small part. Whatever gets the most heat is used for the fuel to spark hatred.

Explain to me how Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can be considered in the same sentence as Farrakhan? As a black man, I do feel they've made some very big mistakes by jumping the gun and running their mouths before they had the entire story (reminds me of many of the posters on these news forums). But I can't recall them ever doing anything remotely in the realm of Farrakhan. The NoI are racists, the NBPP are racists, but they are both a small minority of extremists (much like the neo nazis and other white supremacist groups) who receive no feelings of kinship with the majority of black America. Much like everyone on this board who supports the Tea Party's ideals espouse no racist inclinations to the rhetoric they throw around.

Do I believe ALL of the Tea Party regime are racists? No. Do I feel there are racists in the Tea Party's circle? Yes. Is the Tea Party aligning itself with racist groups? They have even said they don't know who all of their supporters are, but they would not turn anyone away because they don't seek to alienate people who appear to support them (in other words: they need all the help they can get). I would ask Tea Party supporters to take a step back from themselves and look at their rhetoric and what they stand for and replace every occurence of "Tea Party" with say Ku Klux Klan or Black Gangster Desciples (those are just examples, I am by no means trying to state that anyone in the Tea Party is a member of the KKK or a Black Gangster Desciple), and then decide what they would say if they saw someone talking up their group as they run around doing.

I seem to remember, the Teaparty claiming they weren't a "Racist" party.

Never heard they had claimed there were no "Racist" members.

Evidently believes?

From the 2008 Elections proglib?

This part of the article you list:

I'm referring here to the emphasis on President Obama's service as an urban community organizer. Clearly, this was a Southern Strategy-style racial dog whistle -- a way of underscoring the president's ethnicity, his race and his association with scary inner-city black people.

Is conjecture and a blatant attempt to put words in someone's mouth to make an apposing viewpoint. There are white community organizers you know!

And this:

while condoning, by silence,

Now they're mind readers?

It's a fictional article at best.

Come on now!

teabaggers use the term as an epithet against Obama

That was his job before congress. Nothing more.

As to silence, NAACP has stayed silent on issues they shouldn't have and was pretty loud on items they shouldn't have been. Loved how they jumped to the rescue of the "Black" vendor that was beaten up by calling him an "Uncle Tom".

Where was the cry to get that one out of the NAACP?

#28.5:Yes, I do know there are white community organizers--which is why I've always wondered why so many teabaggers use the term as an epithet against Obama. As for condoning by silence, I'd say that's what anyone who doesn't renounce racism does.

Some people attempt to focus on the President holding the position as a "community organizer", and not previous Illinois State Representative, as well as a United States Senator, because this is seen as a position of less importance than the latter two I mentioned. Never do they mention that the President was a former State representative, nor a United States Senator! It is the haters objective to minimize and de-legtimize with all that they know and can, the existence of this President! How shameful and disgusting on their parts.

While the statement is also true that there are "white community organizers" , imo, the intent was that our President was "just" a community organizer. Again, I don't think that the haters think very much before they spew their hate, or they would have realized that just as you have stated, there are white community organizers. {remember they rushed to call themselves Teabaggers without researching what the label stood for- and then got angry when we called them what they had named themselves!} But the intent was to state that the President's previous position was "nothing important, "just" a community organizer!

How dare them! The President, I feel, has more intellect and intelligence than any of them apparently have by how they display this despicable, narrow minded behavior towards others. Neither do they have any manners!

btw, I also feel the same way about condoning negative behavior. Silence is one method of acceptance.

#28.8:In addition to the elected offices you enumerated, he also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago...another "real job" many teabaggers like to neglect while displaying their own ignorance regarding the Constitution.

Thank you very much, proglib. I am also a resident of Chicago and have been for 45 years; as well as graduate of the University of Chicago so I will never let these haters get away with their insidious remarks as they attempt to slander this President. This President has been a very good President, in spite of all of the obstructions he has had to deal with, as well as what was on his plate when he came into office.

I think it is time that we all should give thanks to this President and continue to wish him nothing but the very best. This job can not be easy even under the best of circumstances, and I can not imagine having to endure what this President has, and still make the lasting achievements that other Presidents have attempted to do and failed - even with the backing and support of the "other party" - which this President has not had!

And I know that it might seem that I am biased because I live in Chicago and am a graduate of the U of C, but it has little to do with it -if anything at all. President Obama was not raised in Chicago; (neither was I) President Obama did not come to Chicago until he graduated from college with his first undergraduate degree. Michelle was raised in Chicago and went to school here. (This is where Michelle met Barack) So as you can see, this is not a "hood" thing; we both just reside in a great city, Chicago!

This is a smart and intelligent President who is doing the best that he can for all of America and I am proud to be an American. It's just that simple!

Jumping from one post to another! I should have finished the line ...with think for oneself, don't follow the pied pipers and Country First, not party, for all the tea from China. Thanks.