The Obama Hate Machine Hits An Absurd New Low Over Thanksgiving Speech

I have to disagree with you, Becks72. Many of the liberals on the vine attack the right because media has presented an inflamatory view. They totally skew the situation in hopes of keeping the masses interested in totally un-newsworthy items. I am a Christian, but I don't need the President to thank him for me. Quite frankly, I don't care if he celebrates Thanksgiving at all. And if he wants to thank the people that's great, because they deserve our thanks. But the other is between him and God.

Beg pardon lost, there are many a Christian radio personality calling for rude and un-Christian-like behavior, including some 'preachers' with a bully-pulpit full of hate, for those not like them in appearance or custom. It is not the media who creates these stories, they are only reporting what others have said and done- and quite publicly too. Don't hate the messenger because the message offends you, place the blame squarely where it belongs- upon the hate filled false Christians.

there are many a Christian radio personality calling for rude and un-Christian-like behavior, including some 'preachers' with a bully-pulpit full of hate, for those not like them in appearance or custom.

With all due respect, please allow me to correct that statement for you:

there are many a SO-CALLED, SELF PROFESSED Christian radio personalities calling for rude and un-Christian-like behavior, including some 'preachers' with a bully-pulpit full of hate, for those not like them in appearance or custom.

There, much better wouldn't you agree?

None of the preachers I know of have even mentioned it. As I said, I don't need anyone giving thanks to God on my behalf, nor do I need the media to make it sound like a few extremists represent Christianity as a group. If the media is going to make a story out of it, they need to provide specific quotes and not make it sound like all Christians are upset.

I agree drummerboy, yet these self-appointed, false Christian arbiters of faith have legions of followers who declare a statement or stance as true Gospel because it was uttered by these people. There are few Christians out there who have the audacity to question the words of their spiritual leaders, simply because they are 'leaders'- which implies that they have a direct pipe-line to God and are, themselves, infallible by association. Every single GOP candidate has declared that God has told him/her to run, is God really that fickle?

#2.2:Don't hate the messenger because the message offends you, place the blame squarely where it belongs- upon the hate filled false Christians.

Hear, hear. You speak the truth friend! Say it again -one more time. And you named them correctly: false christians!

What was once turkey and family has become a pepper spraying event to grab some on-sale DVD's.

Just when you thought that was the lowest form of stupidity...some more nuttiness comes out of the Right Wing.

@2.3

With all due respect, please allow me to correct that statement for you:

there are many a SO-CALLED, SELF PROFESSED Christian radio personalities....

So, what is a christian but someone who calls themself a christian.

I'm in the music biz and have seen how easily anyone can call themself a musician, regardless of qualifications.

What's the difference?

No true Scotsman, rick, No true Scotsman.

They are only "real christians" if they follow MY belief systems...

Beautifully said!!!

There are few Christians out there who have the audacity to question the words of their spiritual leaders, simply because they are 'leaders'-

Well that's wrong in every biblical sense of the statement because Christians are INSTRUCTED in the Bible to not only QUESTION their leaders, but to hold them accountable as well and I, for one, have no problem calling out false teachings or calling into accountability those who twist the Word of God. And I have no problem letting others know that, as Christians, THEY are instructed to do so as well.

So, what is a christian but someone who calls themself a christian. I'm in the music biz and have seen how easily anyone can call themself a musician, regardless of qualifications. What's the difference?

Anyone can call themself a Christian, that doesn't necessarily make them one. The Bible says:

YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT

I am also in the music business, and have been for some 30 odd years, on tour most of that. Anyone can call themself a musician, that doesn't make them one, anyone can call themself anything, but the proof is in the pudding and many so-called Christian's pudding is awfully lumpy these days.

. At least our President has character. That is something the tp/gop lack's. They want the Presidency back are are willing to say or do anything to convince people they are right.

Read the proclaimation, thought it was just fine. Had the word God and all. What to h-!!is the matter with those people, do they not have ANY shame??? If not, they sure need to! They'll try ANYTHING, so watch them, and expect even the best of your friends and family to fall for their crap!! Fact check everything! If they can't win with the truth, they just bareface lie. Sickening.

At least our President has character

He's a character to be certain.

As I wrote in a different post: What has religion ever made better, that could not be made better without religion?

Zactly!

"Phony outrage/ Righteous indignation R us" strikes again..lol

proglib,

Are you actually going to allow #4.2 to stand as written? It's nothing more than an obnoxious and disgusting blatant attack upon an entire group of people and you know as well as does everyone else it's a gross violation of the COH.

Reported.

drummerboy2011, regarding post#4.4:

... it's a gross violation of the COH.

Wrong, the CoH pertains to the behaviour of newsvine-rs towards each other when participating on the website.

Dultibass's rant is not a CoH violation he/she did not personally attack any other newsviner.

You want to suppress her/his speech using the false claim of CoH violation because you find the comments "Gross" I don't, they are - hyperbolic - and even though you find the style of expression un- palatable, they do have a lot of truth to them.

But what I think or what you think is irrelevant because it is not a personal attack on another viner it is an opinion that is on topic.

#4.6:You want to suppress her/his speech using the false claim of CoH violation because you find the comments "Gross" I don't, they are - hyperbolic- and even though you find the style of expression un- palatable, they do have a lot of truth to them.But what I think or what you think is irrelevant because it is not a personal attack on another viner it is an opinion that is on topic.

Hi there, I am glad that you have tried to explain that violating the COH code pertains ONLY to "those members of the newsviners community" and not the topic of the conversation or the subject in question.

This has been difficult for some people to understand for several years now- which is hard for me to comprehend.

But thanks again for attempting to interpret for those not able or willing to follow the code.

I view 4.2 as highly inflammatory just because of the manner in which it was presented so I marked it as such. With the right people it would start a flame war and derail the main topic of the article. MHO

Dultibass is right about the Republican theocracy. I am sick and tired of conservatives mixing religious VIEWS and politics. What is even worse is that they claim to be such wonderful Christians when they aren't. Apparently, men like Cain and Gingrich don't think that it is necessary to honor their spouses. One has been married several times and the other puts his hands up women's skirts. And yet, the Republicans keep supporting these hypocrites. I guess that it's okay if you are a Republican running for the presidency. Religious upstanding Christians don't do that sort of thing. I left the Republican Party because of their blatant hypocrisy, and I'm glad that I did. They aren't anything like the Republican Party of old. The Democrats don't claim to be the party of family values, yet I think that they are even more honest and upstanding than Republicans. The conservatives claim to be such good, honest people, yet they don't see the hypocrisy when it comes down to what candidates they put on their ballots.

No Brightstarone, you're wrong. Tyler has been very specific about the fact that attacking an entire group of people such as Christians or Muslims is out of bounds, but in the interest of fairness, let's put it this way:

How many of you can say with all honesty that you wouldn't pitch a fit if someone were to come on an Islamic thread and say such obnoxious, derogatory things about Muslims? I mean let's cut the @!$%# here folks and call it like it is, on Newsvine, bashing Christians is okay but bashing Muslims is not and everyone of you who read this know this to be a truth.

I'm actually going to fully agree with Don Overton once on this one, the comment is so highly inflammatory it warrants deletion, not collapse. Don is spot on correct with his comment.

Here is some points from the Code of Honor which validate my claim:

If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.

Harassment and/or intimidation of others on Newsvine will not be tolerated, and patterns of such behavior may result in account cancelation.

How can anyone say that such inflammatory comments are not harassment? Moving on:

Proglib, I have to say with all due respect, that's some pretty shoddy moderating in my opinion. People can disagree with the Christian lifestyle without being so hateful and derogatory. Here's one for you:

As the host of your column, you are expected to foster healthy, open discussions by setting a good example.

Are you going to claim these remarks are fostering healthy discussion? Dare I say this is grenade trolling at its worst and I believe in your heart you KNOW it Proglib.

Apparently, men like Cain and Gingrich don't think that it is necessary to honor their spouses

Oh really? Funny how you conveniently left Clinton, Kennedy and even worse, John Edwards out of that little speech.

Funny thing...

THOSE three men don't claim to be "good christians" or run their campaigns on christian family values, do they?

THOSE three men don't claim to be "good christians" or run their campaigns on christian family values, do they?

Oh Really? Perhaps you should consider a little research before inserting your foot so deeply into your mouth:

John Edwards' Expressions of Faith:

When asked by David Kuo from Beliefnet.com, what he has learned about God, Edwards said, "... when things seem at their worst and their lowest, he will always be there for you. That no matter what you do, he will forgive you. And it is important to ask for his forgiveness. It's important in my case to have a personal relationship with the Lord, so that I pray daily and I feel that relationship all the time. And when I'm faced with difficult decisions, which I regularly am, I very often go to him in prayer."

He went on to say, "My faith informs everything I think and do. It's part of my value system. And to suggest that I can somehow separate and divorce that from the rest of me is not possible. I would not, under any circumstances, try to impose my personal faith and belief on the rest of the country ... But freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. And I think that anything we can do to promote the idea that people should express their faith is a good thing."SOURCE: http://christianity.about.com/od/religionpolitics/p/edwardsfaithss.htm

And from the Clinton camp, during a 1994 ABC interview with Peggy Wehmeyer:

"I don't think I could do my job as President," Clinton said, "much less continue to try to grow as a person in the absence of my faith in God and my attempt to learn more about what it should be and grow. It provides a solace and support in the face of all these problems that I am not smart enough to solve."

The Kennedy's ties to the Catholic Church are LEGENDARY, although in Kennedy's defense he was an outspoken proponent of the separation of church and state, but regardless.


Now you were saying what?

drummerboy2011, regarding post #4.11:

No Brightstarone, you're wrong.

I dis-agree.

Tyler has been very specific about the fact that attacking an entire group of people such as Christians or Muslims is out of bounds,...

I don't know about that, I do know that it was NOT a CoH violation because it clearly states in the CoH rules of conduct - Not to make off topic Personal Attacks against other viners and Dultibass did not make an off topic personal attack against anyone.

but in the interest of fairness, let's put it this way:

How many of you can say with all honesty that you wouldn't pitch a fit if someone were to come on an Islamic thread and say such obnoxious, derogatory things about Muslims?

That would be me.

I have read obnoxious, derogatory things about Muslims and I did not have a fit about it.

I mean let's cut the @!$%# here folks and call it like it is, on Newsvine, bashing Christians is okay but bashing Muslims is not and everyone of you who read this know this to be a truth.

No.

That is not the truth.

Just because people are permitted to express anti religious views on a public website that is set up for the expression of opinions and ideas does not mean that newsvine itself is in agreement with those views.

People are also permitted to express anti atheist and anti Muslim views which I have read on newsvine and that does not mean that newsvine itself agrees with those views either.

Newsvine is a Market place of ideas where people can come and express their thoughts and ideas and opinions. To make the absurd claim that they agree with this or that just because it is on their public website is demonstrably WRONG.

That would be like saying that the ground supports my view point as oppose to yours because it does not open up and swallow me when I oppose your opinions, the ground is there to support both of us so that we can have a place to express ourselves. It is not, in of itself partial to either even if in your mind it seems like it is.

I think that you should cut the Bull-Sh!Z and admit that you just want newsvine to censor or suppress the speech of people that dis-agree with your point of view.

I'm actually going to fully agree with Don Overton once on this one, the comment is so highly inflammatory it warrants deletion, not collapse. Don is spot on correct with his comment.

I disagree.

Here is some points from the Code of Honor which validate my claim:

If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.

Harassment and/or intimidation of others on Newsvine will not be tolerated, and patterns of such behavior may result in account cancelation.

How can anyone say that such inflammatory comments are not harassment? Moving on:

I can say it and I will:

Those comments were not harassment in the real world, apparently it was harassment in your mind, but that was up to your imagination alone, but not the fact of the matter.

Proglib, I have to say with all due respect, that's some pretty shoddy moderating in my opinion.

In my opinion you are wrong, I think Proglib has done an excellent job of moderating by resisting your direction to censor another viners speech just because you dis-agree with it.

People can disagree with the Christian lifestyle without being so hateful and derogatory. Here's one for you:

As the host of your column, you are expected to foster healthy, open discussions by setting a good example.

I think that Proglib is setting an excellent example of healthy open discussions by not attacking free speech and expression on the seed. Thank You Proglib, keep up the good work.

Well done :)

Are you going to claim these remarks are fostering healthy discussion?

I support Proglib's moderation of this seed, and I reject your out of context attacks drummerboy2011.

Dare I say this is grenade trolling at its worst and I believe in your heart you KNOWit Proglib.

I dis-agree, you just want to control what people say and if they don't say what you want them to say, you want the moderator to censor and or suppress their freedom of speech.

Even though you won't admit it, you know somewhere in your heart that is what drives you.

refusing to address what everyone knows in their heart is a deletable comment which IS a COH violation

proglib did address it by allowing the community to collapse it. Stuff like that usually goes down pretty fast. And not all moderators like to delete. Some of them even have a personal prohibition against it and I think proglib is one of those. That's a valid choice even if some of us would do things differently if the same type of thing was posted on our own articles.

Also, when posts are deleted by the moderator rather than reported/collapsed by the community, I don't think the staff are made as well aware of who the chronic trollers are unless the deleted poster actually objects to the staff about it.

drummerboy, perhaps a bit of a breather for you is in order. Please do not attack other Newsvine members, tell them they should be ashamed of themselves and say they have delusional theories and call their opinions crap. Everyone is entitled to their opinion until they become inflammatory and you have reached that point. Your posts have become very difficult to read due to your seemingly wound up emotions.

those comments would be SO deleted without remorse

Really, it's up to the moderator to decide what, if anything EVER, they want to delete from their seeds or articles. Knowing that and proglib's moderating policies, if you don't like the way proglib moderates, you should just stay away from proglib's seeds and articles from now on rather than expecting proglib to change things just because YOU don't like it.

You're getting your shorts in a knot over something that Newsvine leaves up to individual moderators. If you don't like those rules or think they should be changed, address it with the Newsvine mods. Stop rant-whining about how much you don't like the way proglib moderates. It just makes you look...lame.

Jeez, I can't believe I've actually spent this much time on this issue.

Also, you've completely obliterated any point you wanted to make about religious tolerance by overshadowing it with this ridiculous issue about moderating.

drummerboy2011,regarding post #4.20:

Brightstarone, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I have absolutely nothing to be ashamed about.

You know, and proglib knows and I know and everyone else on this thread knows that were this type of speech directed at Muslims, those comments would be SO deleted without remorse and if you deny it then you're denying the truth.

You know drum, that was not true the first time you said it and guess what, it still isn't true the second time.

Don't come on here purporting to lecture me when the fact of the matter is is that I can provide pages of evidence to support my claim and we all know it. Liberals come on this website and lambast Bachmann and Palin and Bush and you let someone do the same to Obama and they're a racist, anti-American, blah blah.

I didn't lecture you, I expressed my contrary opinion. Your odd perception of a lecture maybe because you think that a statement of dis-agreement is a lecture ??? ..... I don't know it was a strange comment on your part with all of the non-sequiturs about - Palin/Bachmann/Bush/Obama/racist/anti-American blah...blah.. (shrug).

I personally saw you on another thread less than a week ago, where I DEFENDED you against the personal attack from another, in return sindely and snarkily call this person names, going so far as to ask if this person had their panties in a wad.

Aren't you going off topic here drum?..... anyway, yeah you saw me on another seed, that is not unusual drum I have been participating on newsvine for a few years now and you will see me on other seeds so what?

As for your gallant defense of me I can't help but wonder why you would defend me if you thought that I was being - "sindely and snarkily" - could it be that you are mis-representing what happened on the other seed out of context on this seed to attack me?

Now who should be ashamed?

btw - Please feel free not to defend me, especially since you will probably use it on another seed, in an out of context manner to then attack me because I dis-agree with you like you just did on this seed.

I don't need that kind of help, I am capable of defending myself thank you very much.

This pretty much gives the impression that what's good for the goose is not good for the gander in your book. Well guess what Brightstarone, you're W-R-O-N-G. I spoke out against someone calling you names and then in the very next comment you poured it on thicker and heavier.

Yeah you spoke out and then you use that against me now because I don't agree with your censorship agenda against viners that you don't agree with.

How Classy of you.

How utterly hypocritical of you. I've read your comment history and your not only as condescending as it gets, you seem to be proud of it, you wear it as a badge of honor of sorts. How sad.

I mean what I say and I say what I mean that's how I roll drum. :)

Your out of context characterization of my past comments are not only off topic but also irrelevant.

You're better off going somewhere else with your delusional theories because I wouldn't condone any of that crap you wrote were it to mean my life.

Gee drum, I'm disappointed. I was hoping that you would condone my crap, especially if your life depended on it. :)

The difference between you and I and proglib is that I am neither afraid nor ashamed to lay the cards face up on the table whereas the 2 of you are so fearful of what your peers and coherts would say were either of you to buck the status quo that you'll purport a lie to save face, and THAT is about as despicable as it gets in my humble opinion.

humble opinion ..... hmm .... you know what drum, when I decipher that convoluted paragraph of yours I will offer a reply.

But don't hold your breath it is takes a lot of work and labor to figure out pretzel logic, I might just give up. :)

Good Day.

Good point.

Wow, how incredibly insensitive to Christians. Are you as equally insulting and sarcastic with Muslims or Buddhists? Or do you think it's only appropriate and funny to insult the pillar of a major religion just because it's Christian? Just curious.

Yes, as a matter of fact I am.

The Christians, however, are the only ones who seem to cry about how oppressed it makes them.

Next time you're out shopping, see if you can pick up a sense of humor.

When American Muslims start whining that the President of the United States didn't praise Allah, then we'll start making fun of them, too.

Oh, I have a good sense of humor, but being a pre-Vatican II Catholic, my Catholic side is personally offended by your comments, but I, however, am a fan of free speech so speak on as you please. I only asked to see if you are an equal opportunity insulter. And you say you are, so thanks for not being prejudice against only one religion, that wouldn't be fair.

so he may as well do the right thing and keep god, and religion, out of his speeches.

Yeah, but the problem for you is that he DOES invoke God or Jesus in this speeches.

From CBS News:

Obama Invokes Jesus More Often Than Bush

He's done it while talking about abortion and the Middle East, even the economy. The references serve at once as an affirmation of his faith and a rebuke against a rumor that persists for some to this day.

As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches - something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings, even
though Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity.

In his speech Thursday in Cairo, Obama told the crowd that he is a Christian and mentioned the Islamic story of Isra, in which Moses, Jesus and Mohammed joined in prayer.

At the University of Notre Dame on May 17, Obama talked about the good works he'd seen done by Christian community groups in Chicago. "I found myself drawn - not just to work with the church but to be in the church," Obama said. "It was through this service that I was brought to
Christ."

And a month before that, Obama mentioned Jesus' Sermon on the Mount at Georgetown University to make the case for his economic policies. Obama retold the story of two men, one who built his house on a pile of sand and the other who built his on a rock: "We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand," Obama said. "We must build our house upon a rock."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/09/politics/politico/main5074470.shtml

Sorry to ruin your lil narrative.

I only asked to see if you are an equal opportunity insulter.

Ah, if only all Christians understood that we are a country based on equal opportunities for all religious beliefs.

Wow, how incredibly insensitive to Christians. Are you as equally insulting and sarcastic with Muslims or Buddhists? Or do you think it's only appropriate and funny to insult the pillar of a major religion just because it's Christian? Just curious.

That's kind of a loaded bunch of questions and assumptions, but they're all valid from a curiosity standpoint I think so I'll try to address them with my own opinionated self.

The thing is that Muslims and Buddhists (Jews, Pagans, whatever other religion) don't have the same sense of entitlement that they should be addressed in the President's Thanksgiving speech, so they're not saying anything about it. If they did, they'd probably get worse FROM the Christians who consider themselves "the pillar of a major religion" than the Christians being made fun of here are actually getting now.

It's not Christianity itself that's being made fun of here, it's the individuals who are whining about their faith not being mentioned because they think they're more deserving of it than any other.

That's the kind of unconscious, built-in hubris that has ALWAYS annoyed me.

Well, actually Shannoscubie, the Don't You People Have Jobs-guy made a comment that I was directly responding to, he was poking fun at the most important belief in Catholicism. I just wanted to know if he was a Christian hater or if he equally insulted all religions. I'm not considering myself "entitled", I fully support his free speech, but that doesn't mean his comment didn't offend me, and in the spirit of free speech, I have the right to tell him so. People have been killed throughout history for believing in the fact that Jesus rose from the dead, but he can poke fun all he wants, that's the beauty of our country. My comment had nothing to do with Christians overreacting to the president's religious or lack thereof speech. If people get offended that he didn't mention God when talking about Thanksgiving (isn't is a made up holiday or a Hallmark-created holiday anyway?) it isn't worth attacking him for it.

Then it was implied that I had no sense of humor. I'm funny, dammit. What do you call a cow with no legs? Ground beef. That killed when I was little...

Really guys, weren't we asked by Christ to love one another?? Did I miss something or was that the end of the commandment?? Did he add, only your Christian brother and sister or was it just love one another?? Doesn't that mean include and respect ALL??? And weren't WE suppose to be the enbodiment of that philosophy here in the U.S.??? Thought so!

Well, actually Shannoscubie, the Don't You People Have Jobs-guy made a comment that I was directly responding to, he was poking fun at the most important belief in Catholicism.

Fair enough, and I get that (even though I'm not Christian or Catholic). I was just trying to get to the crux (no pun intended) of what I think is going on here, and what irritates me the most about it, not necessarily to do with what DYPHJ or you posted. I didn't mean to include you in the "entitled" bunch at all, so I'm sorry if that was offensive to you.

Then it was implied that I had no sense of humor. I'm funny, dammit. What do you call a cow with no legs? Ground beef. That killed when I was little...

Now that's just wrong. FR sent. For my own sake, if you don't mind. ;-)

kelly-1437504 wrote:

What do you call a cow with no legs? Ground beef. That killed when I was little...

OMG, we should start a "no arms and no legs" joke thread. :)

What do you call a boy with no arms and no legs? Matt.

IAS @7.6, I liked your comment.

Obama would be criticized whether he said the "magic word" or not. However, Bush got a free pass at least twice. In his speeches from 2003 and 2004, I see no mention of the "magic word". And of course I can find no articles where the republicans cry and stomp their feet over the omission:

http://www.thanksgiving.org.uk/presidential-proclamations/

I don't care if the President is a Christian, Pagan or a follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (my colander is always at the ready) it's his choice and offends me not; but I do care when anyone is chastised for not donning a hair shirt and ashes to show off to all and sundry their pious, and public, acts of perpetual contrition. All things in moderation kiddos- especially religion!

It should be all humanity we rejoice and the ability to move away from what is harming us. We need to give thanks that we are better humans than we were when we raped, pillaged and murdered each other for gain.

I do care when anyone is chastised for not donning a hair shirt and ashes to show off to all and sundry their pious, and public, acts of perpetual contrition.

I'm still waiting for a Christian to explain to me why the teachings of their own Bible do not, or should not, apply to them, starting with Matthew 6 & 7.

I am still waiting for IconclastX to find me a single source within the Gospels that would indicate that he [or it], can be judgemental of anyone based upon said Scriptures.

Hop to it man...

It seems pretty obvious that he is not a christian, so why would he need scripture to instruct him as to what he can or cannot do?

FAIL.

kelly-1437504 wrote:

Wow, how incredibly insensitive to Christians. Are you as equally insulting and sarcastic with Muslims or Buddhists? Or do you think it's only appropriate and funny to insult the pillar of a major religion just because it's Christian? Just curious.

Insensitive to Christians? In what way? The article is focusing on a group of apparently illiterate individuals, claiming to be Christian, who say they are offended because they believe the President did not give thanks to God in his Thanksgiving Proclamation. But he DID give thanks to God.

To be honest, I'm fed up with the folk who believe it's acceptable to invent things to be offended about. They are getting sillier and sillier.

Did I miss something or did the Christian right wing change Christ's teaching from "love they neighbor" to "hate thy neighbor"?

When they latch onto a inflammatory news story like this one and it has been debunked, they'll simply keep going as if it is true. It's as if they get a RUSH out of self righteously proclaiming themselves to be better than everyone else (holier than thou). So it doesn't matter to them if the story is true or not.

And that is how Fox is making millions of dollars. Find the wedge issues, hammer on the wedge issues constantly, give their far right wing audience what they want to hear, INFLAME the wedge issues.

It's as if dividing the country is the Christian thing to do. All because they want no separation between church and state.

To be fair Neli, she was talking about how I was being "incredibly insensitive to Christians" (I'm such a big meanie!)

I am still waiting for IconclastX to find me a single source within the Gospels that would indicate that he [or it], can be judgemental of anyone based upon said Scriptures.

The Christian Bible does not apply to me, because I'm not Christian; what's your reason?

(For the record, I'm not an atheist either.)

There are plenty of Americans who are sick and tired of religion being imposed on their lives and injected into every speech, conversation, and debate and a good bet is that they are very thankful that the President said absolutely nothing about god. Thank You President Obama!

Hear, hear! If I want preaching, I'll go to church! I don't need it from my president.

Or via Facebook. Or mass emails from coworkers I don't even know. I hate that.

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789.

~George Washington-Thanksgiving Proclamation

Lamplighter - Did George Washington have a 1790 Thanksgiving proclamation?

hint - not every year and no Presidential proclamations from 1815 to 1861.

A Wadsworth, thanks for the Segway to the next...

The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added which are of so extraordinary a nature that they can not fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.

In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign states to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere, except in the theater of military conflict, while that theater has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union.

Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense have not arrested the plow, the shuttle, or the ship; the ax has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well as the iron and coal as of our precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege, and the battlefield, and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently, and gratefully acknowledged, as with one heart and one voice, by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow-citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens.

And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners, or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the imposition of the Almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the divine purpose, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility, and union.

Abraham Lincoln, 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation

"I do good, I feel good. I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion."

- George Washington

If you really want a Segway try this site. Like the Jefferson Davis proclamations and the ones from WWII and post-WWII - note the direct reference to the law passed in 1941.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, HARRY S. TRUMAN, President of the United States of America, in consonance with the joint resolution of Congress approved December 26, 1941, do hereby proclaim Thursday November 22, 1945, as a day of national thanksgiving.

http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ThanxProc.htm

After reading these two sentences:

A Wadsworth, thanks for the Segway to the next...

If you really want a Segway try this site.

I am compelled to rejoin, If you really, really want a Segway ("The leader in personal, green transportation") visit the company's web site, or see a dealer near you.

However, if you want to express the notion of transitioning from one idea to another smoothly, use segue. (Note: It's pronounced the same way as the vehicle.)

#8.2:Or via Facebook. Or mass emails from coworkers I don't even know. I hate that.

This was the main reason I closed my Facebook account; in addition to the fact that my email account was hijacked through Facebook!

Facebook is too public, open and impersonal for me. My granddaughter is on Facebook, which was my "first" cue that Facebook was not for me.

In addition, I started receiving invitations from 3rd and 4th cousins- that were not even born when my child became an adult?

I basically got tired of a lot of people "telling" me stuff- that I did not want to hear!

I am compelled to rejoin, If you really, really want a Segway ("The leader in personal, green transportation") visit the company's web site, or see a dealer near you.

However, if you want to express the notion of transitioning from one idea to another smoothly, use segue. (Note: It's pronounced the same way as the vehicle.)

I wrote what I wrote professor, sue me if you wish.

Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are special. :P

Well, we didn't pray at Thanksgiving either. God was not in any of our discussions.

Oh OH

Js, you left off 'bless their hearts'.

Short bus special.

Whoops, my bad. "Bless their little nit pickin' hearts" Is that better?

IOKIYAR

I did not know that the Spanish settled Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Someone will have to harvest a bushel of pepperspray to calm her down.

I will volunteer to be on the pepperspray Megyn Kelly detail!

I'd help her out in a heartbeat - wash her car, too!

Blooz

I believe the line is quite long for that detail......but the more the merrier!

That blonde headed vapid bimbo needs to sit down and shut up.

Her brain cells probably cringe every time they sense she's about to open up her mouth to spew.

That blonde headed vapid bimbo needs to sit down and shut up.

Susi - Agreed!

Any many who finds her remotely attractive has issues.

They probably had the hots for Palin, as well.

Any many who finds her remotely attractive has issues.

They probably had the hots for Palin, as well.

I prefer women who have brains...these two lost me when they opened their mouths and showed how idiotic they are.

Men who go after these type of women are those who are utterly insecure with their manhood so they appear all the more intelligent, soothing their fragile egos.

Most men, although visual creatures, do prefer a woman with intelligence.

We are on topic......it's just been expanded a bit.

It's not like we started talking about bears dancing with giraffes.

;)

LOL that's true.

Giraffes are my favorite animal

But you know......its the mixing of the creatures....we simply can't have that!

:)

#15.1:I will volunteer to be on the pepperspray Megyn Kelly detail!

I'll handle the "refill" duty!

MEG it's all yours! I know you will attack the job with relish.....which of course is definitely a vegetable product.

;)

Yes, yes of course, proglib.

LOL.

I suppose a "Meat Lover's" pizza is made with all vegetable based "meat"

Cheese? Vegetable

Dough? Vegetable

The next time I eat a delicious vegetable steak I will be sure to include a generous helping of creamed pizza.

(ok, I just gagged)

Maybe the women who rejected Herman Cain's pepperoni were vegetarians?

Who knows. But one thing is unmistakable.

All those women?

Were smart to deny his ass.

No proglib - they didn't care for his sausage

LOL

He'll thank Cain, Bachmann & Perry

For being such abject losers and buffoons.

Well this just in!

Superman, The Batman, and Wonder Woman - all American true heroes, revered by billions around the globe never thanked god for Thanksgiving Day either!

But Pocahontas did...

As for the issue of "respecting God", why do YOU, Janice Hairston, disobey the instructions found in the Holy Bible in Deuteronomy 12:3-12:4 about not writing the name "God"? You were clearly instructed in these passages to write "G-d" instead to prevent others from destroying the name of God.

(I of course am under no such restriction, so I'll continue to write the name God wherever and whenever I please.)

I was always taught that 'God' was a more of job-description, and not a personal name!

So much for YOU respecting God.

Why is god deserving of respect?

You didn't even capitalize HIS name.

He's not worth the effort to hit 'shift' or 'caps lock' to capitalize his name.

This is not just a Christian nation, there are other religions too.

True. But this is a secular nation, with a religiously neutral government.

Look in the mirror and you will see God. Disrespect God, disrespect yourself. And, God is not just a Christian God.

Look in the mirror and you will see God

I don't have such delusions of grandeur.

And, God is not just a Christian God.

Which god are we referring to then? There are thousands to choose from.

Brightstarone: EXACTLY!! You hit it right on the mark.

No, that was an act of fowl play.

Michele made him do it!!

Oh Lord have Mercy.

This year it's the auto-slaughter of the GOP-phants.

I thought I just said that.
Ill try to add a little more detail going forward.S/

He should've also mentioned The Native Indians...that would've really pissed off the Dominionist crowd!