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Gov. Robert Ehrlich aide found guilty of conspiring to suppress black voter turnout

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The case stems from robo-calls sent on election day to about 110,000 Democratic voters in primarily black precincts. The calls told these voters that they didn't need to to vote because, "Governor O'Malley and President Obama have been successful." The call continued with "Our goals have been met. The polls were correct, and we took it back. We're OK. Relax. Everything's fine. The only thing left is to watch it on TV tonight. Congratulations, and thank you."

Schurick argued that the calls were intended "to mobilize crossover Democrats, not keep people from going to the polls." Not surprisingly, the jury didn't buy it.

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proglib

There's mythical voter fraud, and then there's this.

  • 65 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:51 PM EST
jwc2blue

The calls told these voters that they didn't need to to vote because, "Governor O'Malley and President Obama have been successful.".....the calls were intended "to mobilize crossover Democrats, not keep people from going to the polls."

That's a defense? "You misunderstood?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Looks like we know where the real voter fraud is.

  • 60 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:58 PM EST
OneNativeSon

That excuse sounds an awful lot like it belongs in the same phylum as TEApublican "apologies".

This aide's blatantly reaching excuse is to "explanation" as an apology is to blaming a lack of humor in those you're apologizing to.

  • 41 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:24 PM EST
Shelby Davenport

One more Republican trick of the trade in their efforts to suppress the vote. I know this has been done many times before, but it is heinous every time it happens.

When you can't win an election outright - cheat, steal, whatever it takes!

  • 50 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST
StevieGee

In order for it to be conspiracy there have to be others involved. I wonder why it's just this guy and not his co-conspirators. Is legal action still pending on this?

  • 25 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST
Tedeco

There is no low the christian cults will not reach to further the theocracy.

Vote GOP is you want bone hard pew poisoned ignorance, anything else you will have to try and get elsewhere.

  • 30 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Another voter suppression case lost by the Democracy hating monocrats?

Say it an’t so!

  • 34 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:07 PM EST
Fred Evil

Is legal action still pending on this?

Yep, from the HuffPo article this quotes:

Schurick testified that he rejected campaign consultant Julius Henson's black voter suppression strategy dubbed "The Schurick Doctrine" but later approved the robocall script. ... Henson, whose trial on similar charges is set to begin in February, has said he did not believe the calls were illegal and that they weren't meant to suppress the vote.

Astonishing, 'I didn't know that telling Democrats to stay home would be considered an attempt to suppress voting!'

  • 35 votes
#1.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:11 PM EST
GaryColumbus

Give complete immunity and reward $$ to anyone who can testify that orders like these came from the RNC / GOP National, State and or Local Committees. Or any of the many corporate campaign financial contributers. Is the United States really going to allow these lawbreakers to act like they are above the law? Are our politicians really the tin-horn pussies they portray to the whole World? Everyone knows these are types of orders the GOP has issued to their subordinates have and are used time and time again since Tricky Dicky. To ratfukk anyone who's not a Goddamnable NaziNeocon. Especially the ratfukking that goes on against the Democrat Party.

  • 29 votes
#1.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:21 PM EST
proglib

Is the United States really going to allow these lawbreakers to act like they are above the law?

They won't be breaking Godwin's Law.

  • 18 votes
#1.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:33 PM EST
Idj

Once again people, the Republicans speak in opposites. So, with the voter suppression,I mean protection laws, popping up in all the RED STATES, the objective is to cheat to obtain the desired outcome. The target is voter turnout. Limit the turnout by any means possible, especially those that may vote other than, for Republicans.

As has been noted before, 2010 is the perfect example! Low voter turnout, equals big Republican victories. Not because they have better ideas or policies, but because their rabid fans, mostly RETIREES, are more likely to exercise the franchise. Usually lead, like sheeple to the water trout, by fake leaders like Falin Palin,Michele Bachmann and Dabbling Witches and encouraged by lunatics like Beck,Limbaugh and Faux News bobble heads, to take their country back.

The problem is, Democracy requires the vast majority of the population vote, so as the winners of these elections can formulate LAWS AND POLICIES that accommodates, as close as possible, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. Not just the winners agenda! Otherwise, what you get, is what we have, PEOPLE IN THE STREETS; with angst toward all. Whereas, the whole country suffers...Voter suppession should be viewed as an attack on the U S Constitution-PERIOD...

  • 33 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:45 PM EST
proglib

These cons need to go to jail.

In addition to the conspiracy charges, Schurick was also charged with attempting to influence a voter's decision on whether to go to the polls through the use of fraud and failing to provide an authority line on distributed campaign material and two counts of conspiracy to violate state election laws. The authority line violations carry a maximum of a year in prison if convicted. The other charges carry up to five years in prison for each count.

Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Lawrence Fletcher-Hill dismissed an additional conspiracy count and one count of obstruction of justice for allegedly withholding documentation sought through a grand jury subpoena.

A presentencing investigation will be completed before a hearing scheduled for Feb. 16.

  • 24 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST
michelle-1073610

And this coming election, we must all be on guard for similar and even more heinous acts to be used by the Tpubs. They will do or say, anything , anything to cheat voters out of their Constituaional right to vote, the DOJ should be notified at the smallest hint of these kinds of activies. Be on high alert people, we all need to watch them.

  • 26 votes
#1.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:55 PM EST
MJL-3

I have said all along, the ONLY way the GOP know how to win is to Cheat. I wonder how many more will come to light.

  • 29 votes
#1.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST
krounded

GOOD! These clowns need to go to jail for messing with the election system. It should be a very serious offense.

It should be an example to others that would try to do the same thing.

I still wonder about Rick Perry and his statement about 18 yr olds and Nov 12. Most 18 yr olds are smarter than that and smarter than Perry.

  • 20 votes
#1.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:35 PM EST
Reliant

So the defence was, we were using a "Reverse Psychology Robo-Call" to motivate Black Democrats who wanted to vote for a Republican.

He should get extra years on his sentece for wasteing the courts time.

  • 25 votes
#1.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST
dwillie

Republican operatives may have traded their white sheets and hoods for suits and ties, but their goals are exactly the same as the goals of racists from the end of Reconstruction: keep black people from voting by any means necessary.

  • 23 votes
#1.16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:03 PM EST
Silvaria

I hope we all watch the upcoming Presidential election very, very, very closely...as it stands now, none of the Republican candidates really has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the moderate vote, so I'm very worried that they will resort to trying to steal it.

  • 16 votes
#1.17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:01 PM EST
gmross

Most 18 yr olds are smarter than that and smarter than Perry.

I think most fifth graders are smarter than Perry.

  • 14 votes
#1.18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:26 AM EST
Jason Burnham

If you have to resort to these kind of tactics to win an election then you shouldn't be running. I'm a Republican. I've been around long enough to know that Corruption is on both sides of the aisle. Mind you some people have short memories and forget that they are part of the Party of Blagojevich, Edwards, and Dixon.

"to revolutionize northern sentiment by a presentation of history that would transform every man in my audience into a good Democrat" Thomas Dixon Jr. on The Birth of a Nation

My question is... Are you trying to transform me into a good Democrat?

Vote GOP is you want bone hard pew poisoned ignorance, anything else you will have to try and get elsewhere.

Got Hate?

I see more hate messages on here than I ever heard from a Republican mouth. Maybe some of you should be stepping back a bit.

Republican operatives may have traded their white sheets and hoods for suits and ties, but their goals are exactly the same as the goals of racists from the end of Reconstruction

You do understand that it was Republicans who were the reason that Reconstruction even happened? I don't think many people understand that the Republican Party is the reason that so many black people enjoy the freedoms that they do. The KKK is and always shall be a large part of Democratic History.

Give complete immunity and reward $$ to anyone who can testify that orders like these came from the RNC / GOP National, State and or Local Committees

But if it's the Democratic Party let's keep it hush hush. How about just do the right thing.

GOOD! These clowns need to go to jail for messing with the election system

A message I can agree with. One that isn't filled with partisan hate.

That excuse sounds an awful lot like it belongs in the same phylum as TEApublican "apologies"

I didn't know they had anything to apologize about.

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST
Randy McMurphy

Republicans have always been hostile to the African American vote since they coddled up to
conservatives, what an affront to the republican party's radical, liberal progressive inception;

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats

Nixon Political strategist Kevin Philips

The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.

Dr. Martin Luther King jr., biography 1966 chapter 23

The WHOLE Republican National Convention, under court order since 1981 till right now, to stop caging voters in minority districts

When they show you who they are ...believe them

  • 22 votes
#1.20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST
Jason Burnham

I don't think I've been hostile to any of my black friends... I'll be back on this tomorrow. Could clarify what you are saying here for me please. I would appreciate it.

  • 3 votes
#1.21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:00 AM EST
DS12

I don't think many people understand that the Republican Party is the reason that so many black people enjoy the freedoms that they do.

I understand the history of the "OLD Republican Party" who did vote for the freedoms of black people it is the republicans of today that refuse to admit that the republican's that voted for civil rights then are the same republicans in "name" only of today. The republicans of today haven't quit practicing the southern strategy and for the most part taken it to a national level. If the republicans were sincere in their so called desire to help minorities there would be more willing to accept the republican message but that hasn't occured yet after 40 years. The republican message hasn't been in the best interest of black americans and IMO it has gotten progressively worse today with the republican politicians that we have presently. Will it change one day....remains to be seen but on past history I doubt it.

The KKK is and always shall be a large part of Democratic History.

Yes they originated with the racist democratic party pre civil rights and for the most part left because they identify with the republican message of today.

I don't think I've been hostile to any of my black friends...

Jason the problem is not with you as an individual it is with the overall message of the republican party. Maybe you can explain from your point of view why more blacks don't vote republican? Do you understand the hidden message that conservative politicians say and conservative voters (not quite most but close) don't understand and for the most part deny? ex. Newt's poor children's comment

  • 18 votes
#1.22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:41 AM EST
dwillie

You do understand that it was Republicans who were the reason that Reconstruction even happened?

Of course I do (but they weren't the only reason). I even wrote an article about it. The republican party's founding mission and motivation was as noble as any party mission could be. The KKKers whose voter suppression activities republican operatives now embrace were indeed democrats which only lends a sense of irony to Schurick's illegal and racist actions. He provides just one more in a long list of clear examples of how the modern GOP has been urinating on the graves of its founders for the last 50 years.

As Lincoln weeps and Eisenhower spins in his grave, those who wish to smugly waive the GOP's noble origins in front of my face while they ignore the last half century of GOP Southern Strategy race-baiting can politely kiss my entire backside.

Every inch of it.

Beginning with whichever cheek they wish.

  • 21 votes
#1.23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:51 AM EST
mikebank

He provides just one more in a long list of clear examples of how the modern GOP has been urinating on the graves of its founders for the last 50 years.


Ha! spot on.... Thanks

  • 16 votes
#1.24 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:28 AM EST
OneNativeSon

Every few weeks someone brings up the "We're the Party of Lincoln!" canard. As if the long gone blessing of his past leadership could absolve them of the dreck they've come to stand by and for today. As they stand up for the states rights argument to determine polices of iniquity as democrats of another century did before.. they simultaneously seek to debase the primacy of a federal government which Lincoln once won an entire civil war to establish.

To pretend the value and worth of todays GOPbag should be determined by a name shared by a party long since dead and buried and it's heroic actions of a bygone era defies belief. Everyone, it's commanded, should ignore and discount the actions of THIS century and award today's version of what was once a Grand Old Party the dignity and esteme it manifestly no longer deserves.

Not until the GOPbag gets goes cold turkey off the TEAvangelical brew it's addicted into a drunken stupor with today will it deserve a single iota of the high respect and honor it was once imbued with.

While it's leadership is made up of liars, cheats, thieves, and charlatans beholden to an ideology that services racial, sexual, and gender dominance and iniquity that is overseen by an over-class of the most elite of an already elite upper-class it deserves nothing. It is entitled to nothing. The GOPbag is today, in fact, a mere shadow of the very vacuum that fills it's entire coldly calculating "heart" with anti-government greed and a sociopath's idolization of self-service and interest above any form of public minded social spirit.

  • 15 votes
#1.25 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:06 AM EST
kg14051

Am I the only one here who remembers the voter intimidation suit against the New Black Panther party that was dropped by the Obama Admin? The Democrats have no more credibility in this regard than the Republicans do. If we're going after voting fraud (and we should), then we need to prosecute even black Democrats if the law requires it. Why do we pick and choose?

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:34 AM EST
Zoolopolis

Plutocracy can't survive vote.

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST
Steve-485394

Ah, the means justify the "ends" that is one of the motto's of the Republican Party, it is about "winning" at any cost.... just ask Nixon in the Watergate scandal!

We see it here on the Vine too! Those who say, just don't vote, show your disgust of the system, and in doing so slant a race one way or another.

I believe that with the money being doled out by the Republican Party if they do have "plants" here on this Source, and their job is to twist, and to constantly use "Fox Talking Points" to argue against facts being presented. One other tactic is to ask those here to provide facts(other than the one they provide, being private blogs) and doing so make busy work for those who do argue with facts. And, after being presented with same facts from reliable sources, they continue to prod and state the facts presented are not enough...

The willingness of anyone, regardless of Party affiliation to win at any cost is sad at best, and a travesty to a system that once was built on honor. I guess there really is no honor among thieves!

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:00 AM EST
gmross

kg,

Am I the only one here who remembers the voter intimidation suit against the New Black Panther party that was dropped by the Obama Admin? The Democrats have no more credibility in this regard than the Republicans do. If we're going after voting fraud (and we should), then we need to prosecute even black Democrats if the law requires it. Why do we pick and choose?

The problem with your premise is that there were only two count them two Black Panthers standing at a BLACK VOTING BOOTH, no other Black Panthers appeared at any other booth at any time during the election, and according to the DOJ who investigated the charges and the Panthers there were only those two men in the Panthers.

Mountains and Mole Hills.

  • 12 votes
#1.29 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:01 AM EST
Idj

Freedom is NEVER GIVEN. It is always taken...BACK. We are all born with FREE WILL. Which infers it is inalienable, which it is! The quickest and easieat way to RICHES, is to incorporate the 'fruits' of OTHERS' labor for ones personal gain; ie...Trickle Dowm Econ....which is a Republican thingy!

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:02 AM EST
dwillie

No, kg, you are not the only one to remember the Black Panther voter intimidation case. I'm sure you aren't the only one who remembers it incorrectly either.

1. It was the Bush DOJ, not the Obama DOJ, that dropped criminal charges against the two Panther members at the scene, the then president of the organization and the organization itself.

2. Both Panther members at the scene were found guilty in abstentia as they did not show up for a hearing. The Panther organization and it's president were found not to be responsible as there were no incidents in any of the dozens of other precincts the Panthers were observing.

3. In assessing penalties, the Obama DOJ concluded that one of the Panthers involved was actually a credentialled poll watcher who lived in the building. Charges were dropped against him.

4. The charges were upheld against the other Panther and the DOJ imposed the limited sanctions available under the Voting Rights Act.

5. Interestingly, no voter in the precinct actually complained that they were being intimidated.

That your recollection of the incident would hew to the self-serving prevarications of the wing-nut bloviator set is of no surprise, kg, neither is the false equivalency of comparing the actions of two politically impotent loudmouth losers at one polling place to the organized voter suppression efforts that GOP operatives and public officials attempt on a consistent basis. I hope however, that you don't believe your arguments to be credible to anyone not willfully ignorant, morbidly obtuse or galactically stupid.

  • 23 votes
#1.31 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:03 AM EST
OneNativeSon

Am I the only one here who remembers the voter intimidation suit against the New Black Panther party

oh yea!

All two of them were just so sure fire all-over intimidating...

.. so much so that just about no-one voting at that location was intimidated in the least. Despite that fact J. Christian Adams, "conservative" activist and media darling of FOXbots and the Lush Rimbo-set everywhere tried to make a federal case out of it and failed. GOPbags make a lot out of the term "frivolous lawsuits" but when one of their activists creates another birtheristic piece of hilarious frivolity the right sure gathers up their skirts to indignantly flounce about.

  • 12 votes
#1.32 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST
California Militia

while i would say that this is an unethical ploy, but this is far from voter fraud (or someone needs to explain voter fraud to me).

to me voter fraud is an individual voting who is not eligable or under someone elses name, or someone who doesnt count some of the votes.

this is just some dumbass hoping that people are stupid enough to not go to vote because they think their side is winning. i wonder how many of those people actually were dumb enough to accept this call at face value and not vote (who were intending to vote).

not to trivialize this, but i vote regardless if I think the person I am voting for is going to win or not.

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST
proglib

Schurick was convicted for election fraud, not voter fraud.

  • 10 votes
#1.34 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:22 AM EST
northtosouth

In reading posts about the "southern democrats" above I feel the need to point out that conservatives in the south migrated to the Democratic party because they despised Lincoln and the northern Republicans. Ideologies shift over time, and the CRA completed the transition of southern "democrats" to the Repubcan party which more closely represented their ideological positions. This is high school American history. It bothers me that some either don't understand or choose to ignore historical fact. Anyway, enjoy the day!

  • 11 votes
#1.35 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:23 AM EST
RobersonMargieDeleted
GaryColumbus

Jason

But if it's the Democratic Party let's keep it hush hush. How about just do the right thing.

Nobody should want to keep any election or campaign hush hush. Less it be someone or some corporation that's got something to hide or to be gained by the controls of voter suppression. It isn't supposed to matter whether majority or minority as long as their right to vote isn't monkeyed with. Elections are supposed to be the most transparent of our governmental system. And I'm not going to give any Party or politician of any and all levels a free pass. I'm all for doing the right thing and to make sure everyone has the right to vote so their voice can be heard. That was, is and always has been the essence of We The People. Any time a Party focuses on any kind of voter suppression, their National, State and Local representatives should be held accountable and charged accordingly.

  • 5 votes
#1.37 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:34 AM EST
D Luniz-1282741

northtosouth

they choose to ignore it

cause as another poster stated, it used CONSTANTLY, and then you end up with 3-4 posts explaining the whole long history, just for someone to make the false claim again later on

  • 8 votes
#1.38 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

D Luniz-1282741

It’s a pattern you can trace back to when the conservatives were Loyalist to the King in the American Revolution. Far-Right reactionaries don’t care what ideology or theology they use as a vehicle to gain absolute power.

You can see it in any country, past or present, where they are under a small government of wealthy elite or hereditary despotic rulers.

It’s as easy as knowing a tree by the fruit.

  • 6 votes
#1.39 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:20 PM EST
real michaud

Glad to hear this...lets take the whole rightwing down...make them resign, demoralize them, indict them, put the in jail...its time for a revolution of truth and justice in this nation...let me say this...Rightwing your days are numbered.

  • 8 votes
#1.40 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:49 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

Well, I hope they go to prison for a very long time. I also hope they have some cell mates who don't like what they did.

The purported law makers making sure they could win for themselves. But NO !!!! The racists aren't racist at all, they were just trying to save those poor people from having to expend some effort in a cause they shouldn't be involved with in their views !!! Yeah !!!!

Should these people even be allowed to remain in America ?? I mean after all they are trying to suppress what many people have died for freedom !!!!

Again they are not Americans they are Fascist Pig globalists !!! Vote out the liars and put some true moderates in office.

  • 4 votes
#1.41 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM EST
Shuklack

cause as another poster stated, it used CONSTANTLY, and then you end up with 3-4 posts explaining the whole long history, just for someone to make the false claim again later on

I've explained the history myself countless times....... to the same people. No use trying to convince a liar intent on vomiting forth deceptive talking points. But for every one of those, there are indeed others that might read it and say, "hmm, didn't know that, maybe I should reevaluate my conclusions on that topic."

But, that's just wishful thinking isn't it?

  • 5 votes
#1.42 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:26 PM EST
Plantsmantx

cause as another poster stated, it used CONSTANTLY, and then you end up with 3-4 posts explaining the whole long history, just for someone to make the false claim again later on

You're right, lol. No matter how many times the "The Party of Lincoln!!!" meme is deconstructed, they will never let it go. It's too attractive to them as a justification.

I've explained the history myself countless times....... to the same people.

So have I.

  • 5 votes
#1.43 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST
OneNativeSon

So have I.

And so it shall continue to be...

.. had to do it several times within a week or so of my first post on the vine. Every week or so it comes back like an aggressive malignancy.

  • 4 votes
#1.44 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST
northtosouth

If we had universal healthcare maybe there might be a cure for that malignancy, ONS. /sarc

  • 3 votes
#1.45 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM EST
Jason Burnham

While it's leadership is made up of liars, cheats, thieves, and charlatans beholden to an ideology that services racial, sexual, and gender dominance and iniquity that is overseen by an over-class of the most elite of an already elite upper-class it deserves nothing

Both Parties are that way. I don't think there should be special programs based on the color of your skin. To me if you treat a person differently from another based on color then that is racism. What I would rather see is this system of racial ethnicity changed to economic make up. I'm pretty tired and drugged up so I may not be stating this correctly. I don't think racism will ever end as long as we treat people differently all because the skin color is different. I'm not talking about forgetting our past either. If we don't teach the lessons of history then we are doomed to repeat it.

I am a part of the Party of Lincoln. Eventually those who have made the Party lack luster will be driven out. Each Party has a few bad apples and anybody can focus on them. I would rather look at the whole bunch. My beliefs do not line up well with the Democratic Party. I think many of those things the Democratic Party celebrates is harmful to society in the long run. Thus I am Republican. I will vote for the other Party though if my candidate beliefs do not coordinate my own. I am not beholden to the Party. It is the other way around. Some people have forgotten that. Hopefully enough of us will be able to remind the others who have forgotten of that fact. Good day.

  • 1 vote
#1.46 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST
proglib

This seed isn't about race or ethnicity--it's about a Republican operative being convicted of conspiring to suppress voter turnout.

  • 10 votes
#1.47 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:32 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

conspiring to suppress voter turnout.

A Federal Crime!

  • 8 votes
#1.48 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:41 PM EST
OneNativeSon

One could surely hope, eh, northtosouth?

A Federal Crime!

Not just another non-story eh?

Jason... A FEW bad apples? Really??

  • 5 votes
#1.49 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:39 PM EST
GaryColumbus

a Republican operative being convicted

Operative and or "aide" being the key word.

In other words the "aide" fell on their sword, or was blamed by, their boss and or their Party. So that the "Governor" or "Party" couldn't be held accountable. How many times have we heard of the little guy / person take the hit instead of the real antagonizers of our system of Justice or in this case our election process?

  • 5 votes
#1.50 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:12 PM EST
proglib

I don't think this was a case of anybody falling on his sword and taking a hit for the governor--Schurick was indicted by a grand jury after an investigation by the state's AG, following a news report the night of the election.

  • 5 votes
#1.51 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:30 PM EST
OneNativeSon

I tend to agree with you proglib... but shades of Scooter Libby keep flitting through the more conspiracy shadowed corridors of my mind also. A fall guy more than a willing sacrifice, perhaps.

  • 5 votes
#1.52 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:00 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

How many times have we heard of the little guy / person take the hit instead of the real antagonizers o

King Reagan had his knight take the blame for the Iran/Contra affair,, Bush had a slew loyal lackey's take the fall for outing a NOC agent, a treasonous offense, then Bush gives him a pardon. Nixion got a pardon from Ford...

  • 5 votes
#1.53 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:21 PM EST
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D Luniz-1282741

And again and again on NV you have republican backers that make up every reason possable why they cant get the black vote in any signifigant numbers

honestly, you expect anyone to vote for you when you act like this?

  • 26 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:46 PM EST
proglib

...you expect anyone to vote for you when you act like this?

Perhaps it was not intended to be a factual statement.

  • 20 votes
#2.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:35 PM EST
krounded

Perhaps it was not intended to be a factual statement.

Haaaa.........Is that you Sen. Kyle? Naaaah :-)

  • 14 votes
#2.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:38 PM EST
Baron Brian

What's interesting in this story is that one of the co-conspirators, Julius Henson, is a black man.

That said, IMO anyone found guilty of voter suppression ought to do hard time.

  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:55 AM EST
proglib

While I agree with your second sentence, the fact that Julius Henson may be black is no more interesting than the fact that Herman Cain is. Avarice knows no racial boundaries.

  • 15 votes
#2.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:11 AM EST
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Emmadadog

Be vigilant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look for even dirtier tricks this coming election. Remember nothing is beneath or too low for the Koch TParty.

  • 24 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:50 PM EST
proglib

...or the GOP at large, apparently.

  • 20 votes
#3.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:36 PM EST
JKiff

Yes, we must all be on guard to "Koch-Block" such shenanigans.

  • 13 votes
#3.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:07 AM EST
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radagast

Never ever vote republican. Send a message even at the local level - even school board and sheriff elections - never ever vote republican. Run these criminals right out of existence! Even if a politician comes along who seems legit, thoughtful, and caring. Don't vote for him! If he was stupid enough to throw his lot in with this criminal enterprise then just imagine what he would do if elected.

Cage the Elephant.

  • 21 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:57 PM EST
BobbyG-420766

Let's see if ANY Republicans denounce this type of voter fraud...

  • 26 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:19 PM EST
proglib

...[SOUND of crickets]...

  • 22 votes
#5.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:37 PM EST
common sense-457836

Republicans only denounce imaginary voter fraud and then use the fear to try to suppress even more voters

  • 25 votes
#5.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:50 PM EST
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thisbusymonster

So far, Bobby, I hear a symphony of . . . . crickets. I also have noticed none of them showing up to defend this thing, although I'm sure a defense is being hastily distilled in Frank Luntz's Conservative Moonshine Apparatus as we speak. Tomorrow expect to hear lame bleatings that only an idiot would believe such a phone call and it was all a joke anyway.

  • 15 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:25 PM EST
proglib

I also have noticed none of them showing up to defend this thing...

They're busy manufacturing smears against the POTUS.

  • 19 votes
#6.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:39 PM EST
thisbusymonster

They're busy manufacturing smears against the POTUS.

Which aren't working. Obama is a poker player these guys have no chance against. I am surprised more people don't get this, with the popularity of poker tournaments online. Obama has a game face, and he doesn't telegraph anything until it is too fricking late. The GOP clowns are all so busy advertising what hand they're about to deal that by the time they actually lay their cards on the table, Obama has the trap set and closed over their heads.

I love watching it. When Obama released his birth certificate with a casual "oh, by the way" it was absolutely brilliant. Trump sank faster than a neutron star to the center of the earth.

I expect whoever the GOP nominates in their last-ditch desperate effort to remove Obama will be similarly baited, drawn in, and dispatched effortlessly. The GOP still has 2010 in their heads. They don't seem to have the self-awareness that everything, every single thing, has changed.

  • 19 votes
#6.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:51 PM EST
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Brian-497171

We know this is the real reason for the recent GOP governor's coordinated effort to roadblock voting for minorities.

I don't even listen to the horsesh*t drivel coming out of Repub viners who claim they don't know what we're talking about.

THIS is what we are talking about. THIS!

  • 22 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:37 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

You can rub their noses in it all day… they don’t care because like skunks, they are immune to their own smell.

  • 25 votes
#7.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:40 PM EST
proglib

From the link @#1:

These kinds of activities aren't new, but have become more problematic recently, said State Prosecutor Emmet C. Davitt. He hoped the verdict would send a message that it is more than just "dirty tricks" and the law will be enforced, he said.

"The First Amendment does not protect fraudulent speech," he said. "We think clearly that this was the case here. It was fraudulent. It wasn't just political speech. It was fraudulent speech."

The call was fraudulent because the language seemed to come from the point of view of Ehrlich's opponent and lacked an authority line specifically telling the listener who was really sending the message, he said. He didn't believe Schurick's reverse psychology explanation, he said.

"I think it was ridiculous," he said. "I just don't buy it and evidently the jury didn't buy it as well."

  • 19 votes
#7.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:44 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Good. Point.

  • 9 votes
#7.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:27 PM EST
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kappa_man_stew

and you read the conservatives anger on thread after thread that we african americans for some strange reason won't appportion our vote and give them a larger share

  • 18 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:49 PM EST
bdebogota

Easy response. "We African Americans will agree to apportion our vote when Christian evangelicals agree to apportion theirs."

  • 17 votes
#8.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:59 PM EST
real michaud

wont happen bdebogata...but what we can do is demoralize them (the evangelicals)

we have to find a way to remove them from the political equation in this country...if we don't try we do it at our own detriment.

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:03 PM EST
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bdebogota

This is so obvious and dumb, I'm surprised the message didn't end with, "I'm Robert Ehrlich and I approve of this message." Then he would be in jail right next to his aide for acts which he either had to overtly approve or simply allow to happen. Would be nice if the aide dropped a dime on Ehrlich before he was sent off to do his time? Using REAL voter fraud to stamp out FAKE voter fraud! What a (Teapublikan) concept!

  • 16 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST
proglib

That would have knocked a year off this con's potential sentence.

The call was fraudulent because the language seemed to come from the point of view of Ehrlich's opponent and lacked an authority line specifically telling the listener who was really sending the message.

  • 16 votes
#9.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:56 PM EST
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Michael in S J

It is ELECTION FRAUD, dummy!!

Not voter fraud.

(Think: It is the economy, dummy)

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

So the Founders wrote the constitution establishing a Nation of laws on the will of the people alone, not gods or kings, giving us the power of the vote as a control against despotism rather then guns… I think we should prosecute these crimes as treason.

  • 14 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:09 PM EST
SeattleBrian

I can picture them patting themselves on their backs for how clever they (thought) they were being when they thought the scheme up . The message didn't say "don't vote"---it didn't even say "Obama has won." The message is so carefully worded (and contrived) that it's obvious to anyone what they were trying to do..

Fortunately, the jury saw right through their obviously fake defense.

  • 13 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:11 PM EST
MWeaver

Yep. The more we pass laws that make it harder and more complicated to vote, the more stories like this that are gonna pop up.

  • 25 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:12 PM EST
T'omm J'Onzz

i'm not following you there, Weaver. wouldn't the more we pass laws that make it hard and more complicated to vote, the less extra-legal election fraud we'll hear about, while the easier we make it to register and vote, the more activities like this are deemed "necessary"?

    #13.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:06 AM EST
    proglib

    If you're suggesting voter suppression is necessary to prevent election fraud, T'omm J'Onzz, perhaps you should read the link in the first comment.

    • 8 votes
    #13.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:17 AM EST
    Beau7890

    I could be wrong about this, but I think Tomm is saying that when people are weeded out pre-emptively, we won't hear as much about them as we do about challenges to the eligibility of people who are voting.

    Not that anyone asked me. ;-)

    • 6 votes
    #13.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST
    proglib

    You're right more often than not, Beau.;-)

    • 5 votes
    #13.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:23 AM EST
    northtosouth

    That's how I read it, Beau.

    • 4 votes
    #13.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:25 AM EST
    T'omm J'Onzz

    which is how i meant it. borrowing from what Beau said, when people are weeded out or prevented from voting pre-emptively, because of the law, there won't be any need to break the law by robocalls and the like discouraging those same people from voting.

    sorry i didn't convey it entirely clearly; it was certainly so in my head. :P

    • 3 votes
    #13.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:56 PM EST
    proglib

    My mistake, T'omm--thanks for clarifying.:-)

    • 3 votes
    #13.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:31 PM EST
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    IndependentVoter

    Unbelievable that some people actually believe that outrageous acts of voter fraud are restricted to one particular party. LOL

    Go Dem official pleads guilty in NY election fraud investigation

    Give complete immunity and reward $$ to anyone who can testify that orders like these came from the DNC / DNC National, State and or Local Committees.

    Patisan hacks

    • 2 votes
    Reply#14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:14 PM EST
    Kc77

    Unbelievable that some people actually believe that outrageous acts of voter fraud are restricted to one particular party. LOL

    Go Dem official pleads guilty in NY election fraud investigation

    Give complete immunity and reward $$ to anyone who can testify that orders like these came from the DNC / DNC National, State and or Local Committees.

    Patisan hacks

    I say if someone who is a Democrat commits a crime they should go to jail. Period. However, you've chosen to respond to the situation with "you do it too". You don't really admit what they did was wrong, but instead you've created an excuse to make it OK in your own mind.

    • 20 votes
    #14.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST
    sendlo

    IndependentVoter, show me where someone said only Republicans do it? Nice attempt to deflect.

    • 17 votes
    #14.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:45 PM EST
    Brian-497171

    Unbelievable that some people actually believe that outrageous acts of voter fraud are restricted to one particular party. LOL

    Why do you have this incessant problem of not being able to actually address the seeded article?

    Seriously, about 95% of your posts consist of "Dems do it, too."

    • 16 votes
    #14.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:12 PM EST
    proglib

    For the record, I'd like to see everyone of either party who conspires to commit this kind of fraud prosecuted to the full extent of the law...no excuses!

    • 17 votes
    #14.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST
    T'omm J'Onzz

    i say crucify them both (metaphorically), but i'm more angered by McInerney, the NY official's actions: i expect it from Republicans (and often get it); i expect better of Democrats.

    • 3 votes
    #14.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:11 AM EST
    Annie-637703

    In response to the Dems do it too. As my sainted mother use to say when I would say well suzie did it first and so it was alright. My mother would look at me and ask "if suzie jumps off the Golden Gate bridge does that mean you should jump also?" If you did the crime than you need to do the time. These are the ones who are the "unAmerican" among us, not the single mom, gays, or the 99% who are raising a voice demanding fair justice. God Bless the USA and protect her through this fight for democracy.

    • 10 votes
    #14.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    Thank god for those stringent new republican restrictions on voting..oh wait a minute...they don't have those in New york, oh wait a minute more, those laws would do nothing to prevent IV's cited case...

    @!$%#ing with elections comes with heavy price , thats why its so rare. Full force of the law to ANYBODY from ANY party who deprives anyone...particularly the ones I don't agree with rights to their franchise.

    • 9 votes
    #14.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:28 AM EST
    Kc77

    In response to the Dems do it too. As my sainted mother use to say when I would say well suzie did it first and so it was alright. My mother would look at me and ask "if suzie jumps off the Golden Gate bridge does that mean you should jump also?"

    I have younger brothers and sisters and we learned real quick that " so and so did it too" was a really good way to get everyone in trouble and really was the worse defense one could use. I still haven't seen my Gi Joe Zartan action figure... *tear*

    • 3 votes
    #14.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:11 PM EST
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    izzybar

    I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here as well if not more so.

    I choose whoever the left doesn't want, because that is who they are scared of.

    That says it all about the disgraceful and dishonorable right wingers. There is no plausible reason to argue with rightists. No matter by what name they go, Republican, Conservatives or Tea Party, they are creatures of convenience they say and do anything if they think it's in their best interest even if not in the best interest of America. Right wingers are amoral, have no convictions and will stop at nothing to WIN!

    • 18 votes
    Reply#15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:18 PM EST
    proglib

    Yes, that was evident to me when I saw Condoleezza Rice on The View today, saying she will vote for the GOP presidential candidate--no matter who the party nominates.

    • 11 votes
    #15.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST
    Beau7890

    I have no doubt many feel that way. But it's still hard to imagine the former Secretary of State would have voted for someone who didn't know China had nukes or what Libya is.

    • 11 votes
    #15.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:28 PM EST
    proglib

    It's a live show, so Rice knew Cain had already dropped out by the time she said it.

    • 9 votes
    #15.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:33 PM EST
    Beau7890

    Then you do think she was referring to one of the remaining candidates, rather than anyone her party choose, as izzybar was saying.

    I'm not convinced she'd vote for Bachmann either, though I'm sure she'd pretend to for the party's sake.

    • 8 votes
    #15.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:41 PM EST
    izzybar

    Then you do think she was referring to one of the remaining candidates, rather than anyone her party choose, as izzybar was saying.

    I choose whoever the left doesn't want, because that is who they are scared of.

    BEAU, the comment is a block quote from vol fan in chatt, tn I failed to properly attribute. That tells me that right wingers are in lockstep with what the party commands if it is anti Democrats and anti Obama!!!

    • 8 votes
    #15.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:09 PM EST
    Beau7890

    Yes, I agree—there a lot of people who will vote for any Republican whatsoever. I just don't think Rice is one of them. I'm certainly no fan of hers, but I still doubt Rice would vote for anyone with so little knowledge of foreign policy. I think she regrets having served under Cheney, and the memory is still very close for her of what can happen under an administration that ignores facts in favor of ideology when making foreign policy decisions.

    • 8 votes
    #15.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:20 PM EST
    Michael in S J

    proglib

    To be honest, I cannot envision myself ever voting for a Republican. There may be some Dems out there that I will vote for with a grocery bag over my head, but to consider voting for a Republican is repugnant.

    • 11 votes
    #15.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:23 PM EST
    izzybar

    there a lot of people who will vote for any Republican whatsoever. I just don't think Rice is one of them.

    Like you, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of doubt........ but..... The rightists leave no wiggle room. Their hate for Obama and the Democrats is relentless. I know it's a bit of a stretch but I perceive her like I perceive the Log Cabin Republicans.

    • 10 votes
    #15.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST
    Annie-637703

    Any person who votes simply for the political party regardless of who the candidate is should be totally ashamed as they are stomping on the sacred ground of one person, one vote. The problem is todays voters have become dependent on talk show host when they should be doing their homework, research and accept their responsibility of casting a thoughtful vote.

    • 10 votes
    #15.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:58 AM EST
    DS12

    The problem is todays voters have become dependent on talk show host when they should be doing their homework, research and accept their responsibility of casting a thoughtful vote.

    Annie in your opinion who is worse? Democrats or Republicans?

    • 1 vote
    #15.10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:51 AM EST
    proglib

    "We have a secret ballot as Americans and I keep my vote that way, but I'll vote for the Republican nominee," Rice said. "There are some good people in this field."

    You can see the video here.

    • 7 votes
    #15.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:25 AM EST
    Reply
    Frisco Kid

    I do not understand how someone can do this and stay out of jail.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:24 PM EST
    proglib

    He could be sentenced to several years in jail for this.

    A pre-sentencing investigation will be completed before a hearing scheduled for Feb. 16.

    • 11 votes
    #16.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:55 PM EST
    Beau7890

    If he gets a long sentence and it gets much media attention, it might actually prevent some of the fraud to come in 2012.

    • 11 votes
    #16.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:32 PM EST
    Michelle-340891

    Beau: I'm afraid you're being overly optimistic.

    • 8 votes
    #16.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:27 AM EST
    Beau7890

    the Republicans will pull out all the tricks. I did say "some."

    • 5 votes
    #16.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:08 AM EST
    proglib

    We can only hope!

    • 3 votes
    #16.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:24 AM EST
    Frisco Kid

    He could be sentenced to several years in jail for this.

    I would settle for a public service announcement explaining why he did it and why you should be careful on election day. Well that and some jail time. Stealing votes is treason in my unlawyerd-up opinion (new word and no; this is not GWB in retirement. happens all the time during happy hour) ...

    • 1 vote
    #16.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:04 PM EST
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    hugh b

    There seemingly is no level low enough for conservatives.

    As a kid I watched my Senator, Ed Muskie, defend his wife, calling out the New Hampshire paper, the Manchester Union's editor. And though I wasn't yet 14 I can see it like it was yesterday, it had that much of an impact on me.

    I watched Watergate unfold and was riveted during the congressional hearings. I knew, because of excellent teachers, that history was being made and that history gives us context for life as it unfolds.

    How fallow must your ideology be that you corrupt the very thing you profess to love and honor as a citizen of this country.

    Greed supersedes all. Greed, selfishness, cowardice, and dishonor. Those are your Geo W Bushes, with their Roves, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, Rice, and Powells. Are a few more dollars, heaped upon your millions ever going to be enough? When you all look in the mirror do you see the corruption and cowardice we see when we look at you?

    It is all, every bit of the evil in this world, all about greed. I'm ashamed at myself at times for losing sight of what is important in this world. And though I always maintained my professional integrity personally I failed far too much.

    Keep holding up the mirrors to all that put money, businesses, corporations, and greed above their fellow citizens, the ecology, and the legacy of American Democracy.

    • 20 votes
    Reply#17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST
    Emmadadog

    Glory Hallelujah and pass the ammunition!!!!!!!!

    I hope you got it all off your chest Hugh, for the moment anyway. I know you made me feel gooder. :)

    • 11 votes
    #17.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:32 PM EST
    MJL-3

    Well, Maybe it's Not OKIYAR

    LMAO

    • 13 votes
    #17.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:35 PM EST
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    Hayduke1

    How soon until we hear the usual lies and blather about ACORN?

    • 16 votes
    Reply#18 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:56 PM EST
    gmross

    By Dec 7th at the latest I'll bet.

    • 9 votes
    #18.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:02 PM EST
    sweet TaterDeleted
    krounded

    Oh yeah..........Acorn made this guy spread false information about an election.......Right?

    Jeeze.

    • 12 votes
    #18.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST
    T'omm J'Onzz

    @gmgross

    nope, it only took 54 minutes:

    How soon until we hear the usual lies and blather about ACORN? - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:56 PM EST

    Lies and blather describes ACORN quite well. - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:52 PM EST

    • 9 votes
    #18.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM EST
    gmross

    Ok T'omm, you get the booby prize.

    • 5 votes
    #18.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST
    Michelle-340891

    sweet Tater ... member since 12/2011

    *snif snif*

    I smell a re-reg. DNFTT.

    • 6 votes
    #18.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:29 AM EST
    proglib

    If you suspect a re-reg, it's best to just report it.:-)

    • 4 votes
    #18.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:26 AM EST
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    buckeyenut-2225921

    Are there people dumb enough to believe the call? That would be more a concern than the call itself to me.

    • 2 votes
    #19 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:11 PM EST
    sendlo

    Right. Because stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote, so it is OK to defraud them of their constitutional rights.

    • 15 votes
    #19.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:30 PM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    Yes, blame the people being conned for trusting, they deserve being deceived by our public servants. Would you have FOX news become the official government media?

    Blame the girl raped for being too pretty…. I’ve heard that from the Right as well...

    • 23 votes
    #19.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:36 PM EST
    proglib

    Erlich's aide was willing to risk going to jail to prove black voters are as dumb as he thinks they are.

    • 10 votes
    #19.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:00 PM EST
    buckeyenut-2225921

    I'm saying you don't vote because your guy is ahead or behind. YOU VOTE BECAUSE IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITIZEN TO VOTE. If you are dumb enough to not vote because someone on the phone told you not to, you probably shouldn't vote because odds are you're voting based on the number of yard signs you counted.

    • 1 vote
    #19.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:11 PM EST
    DS12

    Would you have FOX news become the official government media?

    ITs not...when the republicans are in charge they receive talking points....when the democrats are in charge they have to respond to the disinformation.

    • 3 votes
    #19.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:55 AM EST
    proglib

    If you are dumb enough to not vote because someone on the phone told you not to...

    The fact remains that the guy who was just convicted of conspiring to suppress black voter turnout was dumb enough to believe you're that dumb.

    • 8 votes
    #19.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:28 AM EST
    buckeyenut-2225921

    You're missing my point. While I probably shouldn't be calling these people dumb, they shouldn't be voting or not based on how their candidate is doing according to a call or exit polling. They should be voting because it is their responsibility as a citizen to vote. People have fought for and died for the right to vote. That responsibility shouldn't be taken lightly and if someone can be swayed to not vote because some anonymous person on the phone tells them it isn't necessary, they don't take the right to vote seriously.

    • 1 vote
    #19.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:48 AM EST
    Michelle-340891

    buckeye: All I'm seeing is that you're blaming the victim for being conned. It's irrelevant how they vote, how they feel about voting, or how intelligent or gullible they are. The simple fact is that they actually PLAN to vote, and someone else feeds them misinformation. At least they plan to do it, unlike too many people in this country (who then bitch about the government we get). It's not up to you to decide whether or not they take it seriously. They take it seriously enough to do it ... even if they don't always know the ins and outs of voting laws.

    Stop blaming the victims instead of the idiots who plan and implement this crap.

    • 7 votes
    #19.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:39 AM EST
    buckeyenut-2225921

    Michelle,

    They are "victims" because they didn't take their responsibility to vote seriously. I personally don't care if President Obama himself came to my door and told me I don't have to vote. I'D STILL VOTE BECAUSE IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITIZEN TO VOTE and no call or man would stop me.

    Why are you having a hard time understanding this? If people took the right and responsibility to vote seriously, the methods these people use wouldn't matter because they wouldn't work.

      #19.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:56 AM EST
      Michelle-340891

      buckeye: I understand you perfectly. You want to blame the victim because possibly they're gullible. Remember, this guy wasn't convicted because he actually succeeded in suppressing the vote (that we know of, anyway). He is guilty because he conspired to suppress the vote. There is a difference. Whether the people targeted believed it or not is NOT the issue. The FACT is, he did this and it's illegal. Blaming victims for being gullible only detracts from the heinous nature of this particular crime. It's kinda like blaming a rape victim for being raped because of what she was wearing, instead of putting the blame directly on the animal who violated her.

      • 6 votes
      #19.10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST
      proglib

      O’Malley handily won last year’s rematch against the Republican Ehrlich, whom he had unseated in 2006. Ehrlich issued a statement in response to the verdict supporting his friend: "While I vehemently disagree with the decision from a Baltimore City Jury, I do respect our legal system."

      • 4 votes
      #19.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:33 AM EST
      buckeyenut-2225921

      "It's kinda like blaming a rape victim for being raped because of what she was wearing, instead of putting the blame directly on the animal who violated her."

      No it is not. The rape victim did nothing to become a victim. The "victim" of this crime failed to take their responsibility to vote seriously. It these people take their responsibility to vote seriously, nothing would stop them from voting (see the people of Iraq when threats were made on their lives if they showed up to vote)

        #19.12 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:54 AM EST
        redphish

        That responsibility shouldn't be taken lightly and if someone can be swayed to not vote because some anonymous person on the phone tells them it isn't necessary, they don't take the right to vote seriously.

        Even if no one was fooled into not voting these guys are still guilty of election fraud for making the attempt.

        • 5 votes
        #19.13 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:57 AM EST
        Daniel A. Hallo

        All culpability goes to the deceiver not the deceived… sorry.

        • 7 votes
        #19.14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:58 AM EST
        buckeyenut-2225921

        I'm not arguing the guilt of those who did this. I'm arguing the fact that these people don't take their right and responsibility to vote seriously if they are persuaded not to vote. So yes I do place blame on those who are convinced not to vote due to a phone call. The problem is too many Americans take the right and responsibility to vote too lightly.

          #19.15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:02 AM EST
          proglib

          The "victim" of this crime failed to take their responsibility to vote seriously.

          O'Malley was re-elected and there is no evidence that any targets of this crime were fooled into staying home from the polls.

          • 6 votes
          #19.16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:03 AM EST
          sendlo

          buckeyenut, I think maybe the problem we are having is this first statement you made:

          Are there people dumb enough to believe the call? That would be more a concern than the call itself to me.

          You seem to be saying that you are more concerned that their are stupid people voting, rather than the fact that an elected official tricked people out of the most basic constitutional right.

          You are right in that both are worrisome. But there is really no comparison.

            #19.17 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 2:04 PM EST
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            FactOfTheMatter

            When you can't win on your own merit, cheat.

            And in this case, lose anyway and then go to prison.

            • 14 votes
            Reply#20 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:22 PM EST
            ww-2194637

            Make sure you have the proper credentials, show up early, protect your right to vote! Pass the word help your friends, family and neighbors get voter ready. OBAMA 2012!

            • 15 votes
            Reply#21 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:46 PM EST
            sweet TaterDeleted
            Angry Left-532262

            Strange...we have aides to the governor being found guilty on the right. But the best they can come up with from us is those 2 black panther guys standing there.

            • 16 votes
            Reply#23 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:01 PM EST
            proglib

            Those 2 black panther guys were watching for guys like Schurick.

            • 15 votes
            #23.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:05 PM EST
            trolls eat libysDeleted
            proglib

            #23.2 deleted--no value.

            • 4 votes
            #23.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:17 PM EST
            trolls eat libysDeleted
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            steve3003

            Voter suppression is an act of terrorism.

            Voter suppresion is a threat to national security.

            • 15 votes
            Reply#24 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:05 PM EST
            sistagirl

            Yep, pretty ugly when you actually see the written notes of the clerk that did the audio. Real ugly.

            • 11 votes
            Reply#25 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST
            Chris-735081

            Do you have a link to it? I'd actually like to read that.

            • 2 votes
            #25.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:11 AM EST
            Just My 2 Coppers

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57337567/md-jury-ex-gov-aide-tried-to-curb-black-vote/

            • 3 votes
            #25.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:39 AM EST
            sistagirl

            Just My.....I don't have the link, I saw it on one of the MSNBC news reports yesterday. I think it was on THE ED SHOW.

            • 4 votes
            #25.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:48 AM EST
            proglib

            Prosecutors produced a timeline showing a series of phone calls and text messages among Henson, Schurick and other Ehrlich aides as the robocall was being crafted and launched.

            • 7 votes
            #25.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:37 AM EST
            Beau7890

            Pretty damaging evidence in that link.

            • 5 votes
            #25.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST
            Chris-735081

            Wow.

            What about all the other people that were involved? I mean, when a guy plans and talks another guy into a bank robbery and the second guy commits the robbery, then isn't that collusion to commit a crime?

            I mean, that makes him an accessory.

            It seems to me that everyone involved in creation of that abomination should be facing trial.

            I mean, they were attempting to suppress 100,000 votes... and probably did suppress a lot of votes.

            That's not small potatoes.

            • 3 votes
            #25.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST
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            northtosouth

            I'm not surprised by their actions. I'm surprised he got convicted. Finally, some justice.

            • 12 votes
            Reply#26 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:42 PM EST
            proglib

            We'll see how much justice there is when he's sentenced.

            • 11 votes
            #26.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:06 PM EST
            northtosouth

            We'll see how much justice there is when he's sentenced.

            Good point.

            • 8 votes
            #26.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:25 PM EST
            proglib

            My understanding is that the maximum sentence for all four counts on which Schurick was convicted is 12 years.

            • 9 votes
            #26.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:39 AM EST
            Michelle-340891

            Should be much longer. We give harsher sentences for people when they have small amounts of pot on them....

            • 5 votes
            #26.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 9:43 AM EST
            gmross

            michelle. It will be in a sense, he won't be able to run for office again, and his aides won't be able to work in politics again, they might get a gig on FAUX Noise, if it still exists at that time.

            • 3 votes
            #26.5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST
            northtosouth

            The other caviat to his conviction: he'll be a convicted felon and not be allowed to vote again. Looks like he supressed his own vote in the process.

            • 5 votes
            #26.6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:28 AM EST
            Michelle-340891

            gmross, northtosouth: Thanks for cheering me up on this a little. Those are excellent punishments, as well, and ones I hadn't really thought of. But it's still not harsh enough for me.... Unfortunately, he'll likely get sent to a Country Club prison, instead of doing REAL time, if you understand my meaning.

            • 4 votes
            #26.7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:33 AM EST
            gmross

            yep, I do Michelle, and your probably right.

            • 3 votes
            #26.8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:37 AM EST
            proglib

            ...he won't be able to run for office again...

            To the best of my knowledge, Schurick has never run for office.

            • 5 votes
            #26.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:40 AM EST
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