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The wingnuts may hoot and gibber, but a CBS News poll shows that an overwhelming majority of Americans approved of Obama’s speech: Poll: High Marks for Obama’s State of the Union Speech.
Correction: although it’s been linked all over the blogosphere today, the poll in this post was actually from last year. Apologies for missing that; I’ll update if new poll results become available.
Wingnuts Hoot at Obama Speech, But 91% of Americans Approve
Seeded on Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST
Article Source: Little Green Footballs
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Of course, you already know what an article like this will provoke from the right wing idiot blogs (which are usually written at a second-grade level): raving and jeering. For example:
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Master Orator Barack Obama’s State Of The Union Speech Registers At An 8th Grade Reading Level…
All of the military technical manuals are written I believe at a sixth grade reading level. That's how you keep a sophisticated $40 million dollar fighter operational, or a $5 billion dollar aircraft carrier functioning at sea.
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Ninety-one percent? That's pretty incredible (in a good way).
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I'll second that FLYNAVY, In fact, many FMs are written in the style of comic books, literally.
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Dontcha know, polls don't matter when they're favorable to anything Democrat... /s
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Master Orator Barack Obama’s State Of The Union Speech Registers At An 8th Grade Reading Level…
I think he was just trying to make sure the Republicans could understand it.
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So what if it reads at 8th grade level.
Anyone that has ever taken a technical writing course knows: Never write a paper above a 8th grade level for a general, non-specific audience. It's the best way to get you point across to the most people regardless of their comprehension.
The clowns complaining about this now are getting desperate. It's just like the great lip reading dust up with Michelle Obama - stupid made up @!$%#.
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Mine too. People's profiles were not even loading except the header a minute ago.
Please stand by. NV is experiencing technical difficulties! .....Drat! :-)
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I'll vote against Obama because of my issues (I don't believe in the stimulus..etc etc etc.)
BUT...did you all not read the article ?? the poll is from LAST YEAR..lmaoooooo
That said, I also enjoyed/liked the speach..and GAWD I think Boehner is so much the (censored).
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Did anyone expect anything less of the GOPTeaBags? I myself figured it was a foregone conclusion that they would find nothing but fault with it, and they lived up to my expectation by trying every lie they can to discredit it totally, which they have done.
The fact is, they have no real facts to back up their claims, and nothing at all of real substance, as it anything positive to counter with to offer in response, so all they have left is their lies. But, they seem to lose the fact that the majority of the real American people, those who still live in the 21st century and wish to continue there, not revert back to the GOPTeaBags ideal world of 100 years ago where there was no regulations or counter balance, the days of the Robber Barons and ultra rich, do understand where the President is coming from and approve.
They will find out in Nov with one of the biggest losses of other party's lifetime if they continue on the course they are on now. And thus,far, I see no desire on their part to change course. So they will pay the price and then blame the American people. Again.
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And now that I've read about KN and their parent company, please use a more well known research/polling company next time.
Don't get me wrong, I love bashing both sides, dem and rep, but a more respected poll would be a little .. well .. more meaning.
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I have a sneaky suspicion that Obama is going to win a second term. The people have wised up and can see what a bunch of jive talkin, slithering snakes we have running this time around.
Righteous Romney, Batty Bachmann, Hermy Germy Cain, Sleazy Snaketorum, Mindless Perry, and Nutty Newt.
Who else is there to vote for other than Obama and Ron Paul. At least RP is Pro-ameircan and wants to bring back the jobs that left our country and put millions of people out of work over the past decades.
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Wing nuts?
Ahhh, that'd be the political party that forms from the corpse of the GOP.
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Don't get me wrong, I love bashing both sides, dem and rep, but a more respected poll would be a little .. well .. more meaning
Yes. I saw the recant. The evening TV shows are even showing it like fact.
I'll be interested to see the real poll when it comes out.
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Flawed poll is flawed. Flawed summary is flawed, and misleading, bordering on lies. This only goes to show how gullible we are to statistical manipulation and false logic.
The media lies and majority of inattentive suckers swallow their phony tripe like the brainwashed zombies they are?
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The summary has been updated to acknowledge the error in the article.
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An economy that works for everyone, not just the super rich individuals and corporations. That concept is beyond the intelligence of right wing Republicans. They are not going to even try to understand short of a crushing defeat in 2012.
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Anyone that has ever taken a technical writing course knows: Never write a paper above a 8th grade level for a general, non-specific audience. It's the best way to get you point across to the most people regardless of their comprehension.
Not only that, the Flesch-Kincaid test is actually a pretty poor register for quality writing. It tries to boil down language to math, but determining the quality of language isn't that easy. Language is nuanced and varied, and relies on things like cadence, word choice, and appropriate pauses. These are things that take an experienced linguist to understand, not a computer. The FK test presumes that big words and long sentences make you smart.
So for example:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
The first line of the incredibly well-crafted Gettysburg Address. It receives a 15.38 on the FK scale. But if you cut out all the one-syllable words, rendering it completely incomprehensible and meaningless:
Fathers continent conceived liberty dedicated proposition created equal.
That gets a 21.46.
According to the FK test, rambling nonsense > Gettysburg Address.
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Polls may favor Obama,but poles (stripper) always favor derr gop.
It's a rich-powerful-do-as-I-say-dirty-old-man-for-only-procreative-sex-because-what-I-say-is-Christian-law-thing.
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8th grade reading level? No wonder it went over the heads of the GOP, too advanced !
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For Sale:
Mascot. Eight tons, pretty worn out. Mental and emotional problems. Often tries to hump the bigtop.
Terribly afraid of donkeys...
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91% of Americans Approve
Wow, can you can get more dishonest than this?
First of all, not all Americans watched the speech.
Second:
Americans who watched the speech were generally more Democratic than the nation as a whole...a president's supporters are more likely than his opponents to watch State of the Union addresses.
So it's 91% of the largely Democratic audience.
And then of course, we now know that it's not even this year's poll. Let's keep that in mind when we go to Little Green Footballs for news.
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Not without us voting the Republicans to the sidelines...
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Let's keep that in mind when we go to Little Green Footballs for news.
We only go to Little Green Footballs for opinions--but as noted above, we're pleased that (unlike the rest of the wingnut blogosphere) they have the integrity to admit and correct their errors.
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OverPaidCivilServant@1.23
Marty Moose
I'm not certain what you read but the poll is this week after the SOTU address and has been widely reported as having been conducted after the SOTU
As to the polling methodology, nay-sayers need to present better information to make their case about the poll's results
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If you click the link to the poll, you'll note it does indeed refer to last year's SOTU speech... Johnson has posted a correction at the end of his article, which I've also posted to the summary of this seed.
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At what grade level was the Little Green Footballs article written? I've seen two posts already that mistakenly think that what the article says is that the 91% poll is from last year? Are they that eager to take an anti-Obama stance or is the reading level in the article too difficult?
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proglib: wrong, wrong, wrong
last year's information is updated for this year
According to the poll, which was conducted online by Knowledge Networks immediately after the president's address, 91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved.
. . .
Last year, 83 percent of viewers approved of Mr. Obama's State of the Union remarks.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html
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last year's information is updated for this year
Nice catch. I hadn't noticed the update but thought it was odd that the statistic had been all over the news and internet yesterday.
That clears that up. Thanks!
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HappyToSeeYa, note the date in the link you cite is January 25, 2011--thus the "last year" referred to in that article is 2010.
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Ah. OK. Still, Obama had high marks for this years SOTU address.
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I've seen a couple of state wide polls that gave it high marks, but no national results. I invite anyone who has newer information to post links here.
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Lets drop the year old correction...lets still go with the 91% approval.
I disagree with lots the potus has done in 3 years. But, yes, the speech was very nice. And there IS lots to be agreed with. Unfortunately, like ALL the others, talk is cheap. And we all know without the backing of BOTH sides, it's all for naught.
I'm soooo pissed off with both sides.
But yes, nice speech.
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considering the mindset of the average southern racist evangelical I'm suprised they can read at a kindergarten level, and they think in terms of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum when they do not get their "little way"....oh booo hooo....
the republican party is going to get slaughtered this fall....it could be the end of it....God Almighty I hope so./...
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Parties come and go all the time, conservatives just rebrand or infiltrate, then they are discredited again and so it goes… Like roaches.
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"Like roaches."
Wait a minute, are you saying that if you cut off a conservative's head they will live for a week?
[shudders]
I mean, I can see it with George W Bush, there's all that unused... emptiness. I mean he could probably go get a pumpkin and pop that sucker right on the empty spot and be back in business avoiding Julian Assange...
;}_~
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Wait a minute, are you saying that if you cut off a conservative's head they will live for a week?
As a Party.. Conservtives are running around without a head now! arn't they. How much longer is dependent on the media who like the drama.
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He at least outlined specific goals and plans. The opposition spoke in sound bites.
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#2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM ESTHe at least outlined specific goals and plans. The opposition spoke in sound bites.
Nothing will get done if Obama wins. The repukians are dead set on not passing or letting Obama help the people, and then these repukians want and expect the people to vote for them.
If Obama wins a second term, the people will suffer, and if a Republican wins, the people will suffer.
We might as well just keep Obama in office and vote out all the repukians from office, and then get rid of congress.
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Nothing will get done if when Obama wins if we keep any conservatives in the Senate and House and don't end the filibusters supermajority.
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Just in, Obama is dispatching a SEAL team to take out the writer of his "milk joke".
Many of the "specific goals" he stated were also stated by him as far back as 2008.
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... a president's supporters are more likely than his opponents to watch State of the Union addresses.
Preaching to the choir - and 91% of the choir approves!
The author actually thinks that 100% of American adults with a tv or radio were tuned in and 91% of them gave the Prez a thumbs up. No Charles, it doesn't work that way.
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#3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM ESTStatisticians are a bit smarter than your average joe at collecting data.
... They would have corrected for approval or disapproval of the president.
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How, exactly? Interpretation? Extrapolation? Second guessing?
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Wow, newsvine is acting up...I didn't post three times, I couldn't if I wanted to...which I don't.
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Understood, mygirl. I'm having connection and posting problems as well, plus, it suddenly telling me that the website is not available. All else is working fine on my Internet, just the Vine seems to be having a problem.
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Poor vine, seems to be having a bad day...or else...they get paid by the post and are looking to add some revenue:)
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After last nights speech by the President, the Vine is likely experiencing a lot of extra posts and gets a bit overwhelmed at times. :-)
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91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved. - from CBS News article
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The contrast between this highly engaged president and this churlish, vituperative, partisan do-nothing congress could not be any more stark.
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#4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:20 PM ESTI enjoyed the President pointing out how nationally embarrassing the Congressional fight over raising the debt ceiling was.
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Why would you NOT want congress to question the raising of the debt ceiling when it involves spending even more money that we don't have?
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Why would you NOT want congress to question the raising of the debt ceiling when it involves spending even more money that we don't have?
Because the debt ceiling never mattered until Obama became POTUS.
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Why would you NOT want congress to question the raising of the debt ceiling when it involves spending even more money that we don't have?
The debt ceiling has absolutely nothing to do with spending. It has to do with the paying the bills we already have.
This is the problem. Far too many people do not know the difference between the debt and the deficit.
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The article says at the end that this was last year's poll. I thought his talking points (promises and goals) were great and what everyone wants to see get done. It's actually getting any of that accomplished in his next term that begs to question.
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#5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM ESTNo surprise there...
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#7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:44 PM EST...you jokers think Obama will get 91% of the vote come November...
#8 deleted. Don't make it personal.
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proggie,
could have been talking to me... I'm a joker. "...I'm a smoker I'm a midnight toker." - Steve Miller
:)
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Oratory is fine but lets finally see some action. I wonder if any one of these political hacks, on both sides of the aisle, ever heard of the word COMPROMISE. The President has tried that tack and the Republicans are so set on making him a one termer that they are compromising our entire social structure and putting us all at risk.
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#9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:55 PM ESTI for one was glad to hear that the President is taking action himself on the more important issues since all the GOPTeaBags are doing is nothing and according to their mouth pieces, what they will doing for the rest of the year. There is much he can do within his executive powers, and he will use them as much as possible to do what needs to be done to help bring some relief to the American people and the economy. All the GOPTeaBags want to do is make the life of the American people even more miserable in order to try to make the President look bad, but, all they are doing is turning the majority of the real American people against them. The only ones who support them at this point are the very base, radical, extremist and bigoted supporters who are even morally worse than the GOPTeaBag candidates and their party cohorts in Congress, and of course, the Koch Brothers and their corporate mafia masters.
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#11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:13 PM ESTThe GOP is in a tizzy, Obama's words just make them dizzy, he talks in code they can't understand
they only get it when it's written on the hand.
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#12 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:15 PM ESTWith poll results like this the GOP should lay low for a while and say nothing. But I'm sure they think the poll was rigged somehow and believe the rest of the country hates Obama as much as they do. Come on. Why would anyone like raising taxes on millionaires or having a country where everyone works together as a team.
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#13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:28 PM EST91% my azz....nice try.
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#14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM ESTIt's OK to talk about your ass...and the poll correction has been noted in the summary update.
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91% was the approval rating for last year's SOTU speech. No one ever said Obama had a 91% approval rating at any point since he's been elected--nor has any other POTUS had that high an approval rating. However, Obama's current 48% job approval rating looks pretty damn good next to the current 13% job approval rating for Congress.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state_of_the_union/
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Wing nuts hoot!......Santorum mute!
another round of lies from Mitt and Newt.
Don't dispair, hope is in the air,
The GOP heads spinning, and they're pulling out their hair!
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#15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:44 PM EST...lying dims and progressives.
#15 deleted. Grenade trolling.
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Hey I like that Bluebird Sister -- We need to VOTE them NUTS out!
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#15 deleted. Grenade trolling.
So post #1.11, calling "GOP/Teabags" liars is okay?
How about post #2.1? Or is "Repukian" acceptable?
A little unbiased moderation goes a long way.
You either liked what he said or did your best to find what you did not like. It is so sad that we are so divided that we can't agree on anything the President said. United we stand, divided we FALL. Is this what we want? Is this what the GOP wants? If so, there goes the U.S. of A. We all fail ----but the VOTE is coming. See you all in late 2012 and the results will tell. You must decide between fact and fiction.
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#17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:51 PM EST"Of course, you already know what an article like this will provoke from the right wing idiot blogs (which are usually written at a second-grade level):"
Wow, really? I may not consider myself a right wing nut although I am a bit right of middle when it comes to fiscal policies and somewhat left of middle when it comes to social policies, and while I know that no party adheres to such similarities as my own political views, I do consider myself a conservative republican and I must say that your single quote there pretty much told me that I don't need to read anymore of what you have to say (unless you respond to me and then courtesy says I should respond back). After all, one, if you can't make a point without insults then it tells me two things. Those are that you are attempting to divert attention from the substance and also that you lack in your ability to bring substance to your point. Second, I often find that those who wish to insult the intelligence of others often attempt to do so in order to draw attention away from their own cognitive ability. No offense intended (although you did open the door), your correction tells me pretty much what I need to know about your own political agenda and level of extremism although I do give you props for at least admitting your mistake. However, that said, I must question your math and/or social skills because any claim of ninety-one percent approval and your belief in it shows either a lack of understanding of statistics or an idealism that borders on fantasy. Lastly, please don't paint people with such a wide brush. Oh, I know you'll come back and say that you didn't mean that all on the right are idiots or have second grade educations but that's what you implied. I'm on the right and I'll put my two Masters in the sciences up against anyone else's any day.
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#18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:01 PM ESTWith 2 Masters of Science degrees aren't you wasting your education here on the Vine criticizing others debating skills when they disagree with you? Seems rather petty for such a high intellect.
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Two masters of science? Smart to get a spare like that...
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With all the education, maybe you can tell me what sententious means?
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I can tell you what sententious means, but I'd rather point out that the quote HereAndGone seems to attribute to the seeder was block quoted because it came from the author of this article, who provided this example to support his argument:
But … but … but … he’s the smartest president evah!
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91% is pretty damn high. I think one might say Obama is on the right tract here. The Repubs are going in the wrong direction and unless they can turn it around, they are toast. When it gets right down to what matters, it really is the economy, stupid and the public, even those who are bigots, want real change, real job security and a future to look forward to that is positive.
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#20 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:08 AM ESTI don't think anyone supporting the President should rest on such numbers. Though 91% agree, today's Gallup Poll gives him only a 45% approval rating. This tells me that republican obstruction works to some degree with a segment of the voting public - the President gets blamed for republican blocking of policies that the public actually wants.
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#21 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:49 AM ESTThe latest State of the Union polls give Obama a 48% approval, 46% disapproval rating average--though the success of GOP obstructionism can be measured by the concurrent Congressional 13% approval, 80% disapproval rating average.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state_of_the_union/
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The President should have remembered the limited comprehension of his Republican listeners and rendered the speech as a puppet show. Bad President, bad President.
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#22 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:02 AM ESTOftentimes i turn to fox News in response to get a good morning laugh on what they broadcast. All their gobbledygook chaos maybe just entertainment to stimulate comedy. these illusionist at that network couldn't possibly believe what they are reporting live, or can it be possible that the cast do believe it themselves on what they broadcast morning;noon; and night.
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#23 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:56 AM ESTcan it be possible that the cast do believe it themselves on what they broadcast morning;noon; and night.
...I seriously doubt it.
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A note on Flesch-Kincaid:
it's determined by number of syllables per word and number of words per sentence.
short sentences and small words are easy to understand.
they are very very difficult to construct, however, especially when discussing complicated concepts.
Giving a presidential speech at an 8th grade level is akin to fixing your car with only a screwdriver, a hammer, and a pair of pliers.
Doing a good job of it? that's pretty dang impressive.
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#24 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM ESTSixty-eight percent of speech-watchers questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey said they had a very positive reaction, with 24 percent indicating that they had a somewhat positive response and 8 percent saying they had a negative reaction
Spose you could say 92% approval ?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/speech.poll/index.html
following is a tad off topic, but. Concerning my feelings for our president, and senate and congress, BOTH parties. Concerning cutting this that and the other thing. Sure wish we had leaders that lead by example. As part business owner of 3 businesses, I know that BEFORE I'd ask for cuts from my employees, I would first take cuts to my pay and benefits.
Kinda hypocrital to tell the people that pay your wages and benefits, that THEY have to cut, but not yourself (sorry, rant over)
#26 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM ESTwell phoey.......fell for that trap myself didn't I...lmao.
ooops..my bad.
I still believe it is probably high. The man does talk purty. They all do. And I so totally agree with some of his plans. But at 55 years old, it's been my experience, promises and wishes usually end up going nowhere..
(since my data is also outdated..feel free to delete..sorry)
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No problem. You're not the only one who was confused by SOTU speeches given on the same date--it has been a learning experience for many of us.;-)
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That's pretty @!$%#ing good...
You can't get 91% of people to agree that the sky is blue.
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#28 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM ESTSure you can. Look at that other thread about "kicking out all politicians" or something to that effect.
I've never seen such a bi-partisian thread in all my time here. EV1 sick of 'the hill'.
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