Santorum says Obama agenda not based on Bible

Proglib that is my problem with anyone that has that holier than thou attitude. It makes me look at your background for flaws in your holy attitude and usually there are some skeletons.

I hope the President is using Law and the Constitution and what is good for all Americans.

I hope the President is using Law and the Constitution and what is good for all Americans.

Amen.

proglib

Wow, you met Billy Graham? I'm not religious but I think he was a great man. His son? Not so much.

Proglib that is my problem with anyone that has that holier than thou attitude. It makes me look at your background for flaws in your holy attitude and usually there are some skeletons.

Santorum has plenty flaws in his background but some how he is immune to them just like Newt Gingrich. Like the abortion his wife had that he wants to deny other family's of that same option.

Like the $500,000 his wife sued her doctor for which he now wants to limit the rest of us $200,000.

He also let an Abortion doctor that pioneered the field in his state an opened the first abortion clinic deliver his first child. I wouldn't let a mass "babykiller" be the first person to touch my child when it enters the world. Rick had no problem with it probably because its the same doctor his wife used to live with and have out of wedlock sex with.

That's just a few off the top of my head. I guess Supreme Ayatollah Rick Santorum isn't as pure and divine as he tries to act.

I am glad hat the President isn't using the Bible to base his agenda on. What it needs to be based on is the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and what is bet for America and all its people. The Bible should not take precedence over any of these things as far as America and its people are concerned, as not everyone in America believes in the Bible. And they should not have any one religious ideology or belief forced on them, which is exactly what Santorum and the rest of the GOPTeaBags are trying to do.

In other words, take your Bible and life it if it means that much to you, but, keep your Bible out of my womb, my vagina and my life. That is what the First Amendment guarantees me. The right to freedom of religion, meaning to believe in my own choice of religion, not just your religion. The freedom of having your or anyone else's religion forced on me, like you and the rest of the GOPTeaBag Evangelicals are trying to do.

And while you're at it Santorum, try living by your own Bible.

But...oh wait...the Catholic's don't use the Bible to live by, the Catholic Missal is their 'Holy' book.

Rhazes, you forgot about his bilking the PA taxpayers for $100,000 when they homeschooled their kids while living in Virginia and claiming to send them to a charter school in PA. It was one of the many reasons he was kicked out of PA. Along with the whole Terry Schiavo fiasco. And bringing the dead baby home to meet the other kids. And sleep with it. He's a loon.

Tink, I agree with everything you said until the last two lines. I am a Catholic, and your understanding of our faith is like many who are not Catholic's, and very insulting. Our entire Mass is based on the scriptures, and we have a two year cycle which goes through the entire Bible every two years. We have readings from the Old Testament, the New Testatment, and a reading from the Gospels of Jesus every service, which we stand in reverance for the reading of Christ's own words. Then the priest bases his weekly sermon on the Gospel reading of the day. So, dearie, before you speak of another's faith, please learn what it is all about before you condemn it. Thanks. Also, the Bible's you use today, are all variations of the "Catholic" version, just rewritten to accomodate the faith's that splintered off from the Catholic church. For example, Martin Luther, who rewrote his version for the church which was to become the Lutheran church. Just the facts, people. And the word Catholic only means universal church, ie. a church for all people. Final word, the Constitution was written to keep church and state as seperate, as it should be, and the right want's to run things by religion which goes against everything the Founding Father's intended.

problib, sorry if I offended, but my comment was in reply to Tink, not CliffDogg. Please reread, then let me know if I am out of line. Tink's comment is right above mine, thanks.

hmmm the orthodox bible (Orthodoxy predates catholocism) is based on the catholic bible? WOW!!!

yeh, it's impressive that you can go to a Catholic service anywhere in the world and you will get pretty much the same thing for any given Sunday, be it in the local language.

Thanks, proglib.

Wow, you met Billy Graham? I'm not religious but I think he was a great man. His son? Not so much.

LMFAO......... Billy Graham a great man??????? You mean the antisemitic moron who made these comments???? Give me a break. He was as great as a @!$%# on your shoe.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/new-nixon-tapes-include-phone-call-with-billy-graham-39368/

michelle-1073610 - 2.10 - dearie, before you try to shoot someone else down, make sure you know your target. I was baptized a Catholic at the age of 22. In order to do that, since I was not raised a Catholic, and only took the Catholic religion because my husband at the time was a Catholic, I had to take months long study lessons on the Catholic faith, most of which was based upon the contents and the teachings of the Catholic Missal, not the Bible.

That you disagree and have your opinion is your right. I have no quarrel with those who wish to believe in their faith of choice. However, you are the one who chose to make it peronal by taking a personal pot shot at me without knowing anything at all about me.

The problem is, Santorum brings religion into politics and policy and is judging others based on what he sees as the correct version of being Catholic. And that starts to spill over with the public, because we realize that it could have implications on laws, and people start to argue and accuse others of not being the true Christians, or even if it matters, and things start to get mean. Keep religion a private matter, and above all else, keep it out of politics and public policy.

Well Santorum, if I wanted a religious crack head to lead a country I would move to the middle east.

Thank you, Bill for the belly laugh! Sanctorum would be fun as the rep nominee. The GOP is really churning right now, they don't know what they want. Witness the shaky primary and caucus results. Iowa changed their outcome, what? two weeks after, and Maine?, that state's results are a mess, three counties show zero votes (one of which held their caucus today). I don't think it's a coincidence that the three counties in question have always been strongly Ron Paul supporters.

what an incredibly stupid comment lifey. thanks for playing . here's a cookie. go to your room!

Life101
the funny thing Obama said on his campaign trail that we are in for change, but going from church to church as he does tell me he wants us to change to his religion when the heat gets high. I just can't figure that out becouse it has changed over the years. Christian one day, raised catholic the next. heck I should invest in a church card maybe i can get freqeunt church miles.

is this a comment that conflates Obama and Santorum, or, is really all about Santorum?

Santorum is nothing more than a bigot and a poseur. Take a good, long look at the gutter tactics he used in his outrageously reckless campaign against Bob Casey in the 2006 Senate race in Pennsylvania—in which incumbent Santorum received a historic and richly deserved ass whupping. The fact that he is so presumptuous as to lecture anyone on anything at all, much less on questions of personal ethics and morality, is worse than laughable.

What's his next accusation going to be? That President Obama has impure thoughts—or that he is a crumpler and not a folder?

Santorum seems to see himself as a pastor and a politician all rolled up into one, this is a dangerous combination for a free country with a successful secular government. The concept of secular government really gets under the skin of right wingers, they're always claiming that this is a Christian nation. Well, as a matter of fact, this is a nation with a secular government in which the majority of people happen to identify as Christian. They know that this is a republic in which the majority does not dominate the rights and freedoms of the minority, but don't seem to care.

He claims a lot of Bible knowledge but yet doesn't seem to be aware that Jesus, the Lord he claims to follow, never forced anyone to believe in Him or to follow His example. This is why He said He stands at the door and knocks?

He demonstrates that he's not concerned about the freedoms of all people, just those that agree with his beliefs.

Trying to get people of faith angry by saying that Obama's theology is not biblical is a cheap tactic, even for Santorum. Doesn't he realize that those people are already riled up by the constant propaganda they get from right wing talk radio, Fox News, and their pastors sermons in church?

The founders could look down through history and see examples of church running the state and vice versa and they saw that neither worked, but only stifled true freedom of religion. In their wisdom they came up with the concept of separation of church and state, which modern right wingers seem to hate and deny the very existence of. All the GOP candidates would do well to read some history and realize that people can not be legislated into becoming good church attending believers.

If he really cared about others, he'd be ready to work on behalf of groups whose freedom of conscience is inappropriately impinged by the state.

1. When someone selling a product or themselves starts telling me "Trust me I'm a Christian" I run the other way.

2. If they have to tell you, they ain't doin' it right.

3. I have several versions of the Bible and none of them are the original versions or all of the writings. They are the result of centuries of self-interested changes. King James wanted women minimized, if not demonized. Men like this version because they are the winners.

4. The current attacks by Santorum, et al are just plain scary to all people who believe any different from their orthodoxy.

5. Catholicism is the religion that allows you to be a member of the mob Monday thru Saturday, go to confession on Sunday and believe your crimes have been forgiven and start over on Monday. (Note Newt's "redemption into purity")

I have asked those questions several times now in various threads about devout, pure and divine Santorum and not once has any one answered them.

They have on blinders so they won't have to see their own hypocrisy.

Where does Jesus specifically say anything on abortion, gay marriage, or political allegiance to the state of Israel? Moreover, if Santorum feels so strongly about renouncing the faiths of others, why is he so selective in his targets? Does he have a religious opinion on his fellow Catholic Gingrich's three marriages he'd like to share? Does he wish to renounce Ron Paul, who as a Baptist, is a member of a church that has at times called the pope the Antichrist? Surely Santorum has strong opinions about Mitt Romney calling himself a Christian. By cherry picking his condemnation, Santorum shows his religious convictions to be as vapid as his other political positions.

Texasguy,

We elected Obama to be our secular president, and to lead our nation under the Constitution, not the apostate misinterpretation of the bible of you religious vipers. We are not wanting Obama to spritually lead us, but to lead according to our Constitution.

Get thee behind us satan.

texasguy, why not just say....

1. Obama actually performs abortions in his spare time, and is giving out free coupons at high schools for girls to get abortions
2. killing bin laden, middle east revolutions are just cover ups for his goal of having an all-gay military by 2014
3. he's secretly working with Iran and ahmadinejad to destroy Israel

cause it's the same amount of logic and fact as

1. Abortion: Obama is the abortion President and has promoted it at every opportunity.

2. Gay Marriage: This is his pet project and the centerpiece of his accomplishments within the military.

3. Anti Israel Stance.: He has made public statements and supported policies and groups calling for the physical destruction of Israel. Bad for any President to help call for extermination of any people group but particularly Israel is offensive to Christians.

You know Texasguy I might have to wait for one other reason Pres Obama doesn't meet your criteria....well I'll wait....regardless what many on the right will admit it is a major factor....???

STUPID! JUST PLAIN STUPID , TEXASS GUY!

Texasguy01
He is completely correct. President Obama's Holy Trinity are not Christian beliefs. They are:

Puhlease Ricky is such a dimestore catholic...Obama doesn't hold a candle to him in "going agaisnt" The Church

Rickee Supported the Iraq war when Pope John Paul and the Church denounce going to war with Iraq

Rick e suports the death penalty when the pope and the church officialy rebuke it

Ricky opposes health care and hes even come out against private insurance, and the church requires the all citizens be provided healthcare...theres a whole raft of things he flagrantly violates so why should we care what he chooses to cherry pick from his faux public piety...

1. Abortion: Obama is the abortion President and has promoted it at every opportunity.

2. Gay Marriage: This is his pet project and the centerpiece of his accomplishments within the military.

3. Anti Israel Stance.: He has made public statements and supported policies and groups calling for the physical destruction of Israel. Bad for any President to help call for extermination of any people group but particularly Israel is offensive to Christians.

Obama is not pro abortion. He is pro choice. There IS a difference.

If someone has an abortion or takes a birth control pill, how does that affect you?

If someone is gay and gets married, how does that affect you?

If someone is Muslim or agnostic, how does that affect you?

Mr. Sanitarium is out of touch with the reality of the world these days and there are a lot of NON CHRISTIAN people who live in this country. And this country was founded on separation of church and state. And I don't need any religious person telling me how to live. If I choose to go to hell, then that is MY PROBLEM not anyone elses.

And if I take a birth control pill or have an abortion, it is me that will have to deal with it, not you or anyone else.

Wholly @!$%#! I thought I voted for Mr. Obama to be the Pope of USA. Oh! boy, I was so wrong and disappointed in him.

Poorworkingman LOL

Texasguy01

The problem is Rick Santorium

You had the first part of the sentence, right.

Texasguy01

He is completely correct. President Obama's Holy Trinity are not Christian beliefs. They are:

1. Abortion: Obama is the abortion President and has promoted it at every opportunity.

2. Gay Marriage: This is his pet project and the centerpiece of his accomplishments within the military.

3. Anti Israel Stance.: He has made public statements and supported policies and groups calling for the physical destruction of Israel. Bad for any President to help call for extermination of any people group but particularly Israel is offensive to Christians.

And this does not include the many other snubs and insults. The problem is Rick Santorium is speaking the truth and a media that lies can not stand it.

And your PROOF of these claims are where ??

If you make outragious claims you need PROOF.

I said so. s/

And your PROOF of these claims are where ??

If you make outragious claims you need PROOF.

I am surprised that given the Presidents record on abortion that you would question if he is a supporter of abortion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.

http://www.issues2000.org/social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm

1997: opposed bill preventing partial-birth abortion

In 1997, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate against SB 230, a bill designed to prevent partial-birth abortions. In the US Senate, Obama has consistently voted to expand embryonic stem cell research. He has voted against requiring minors who get out-of-state abortions to notify their parents. The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) gives Obama a 100% score on his pro-choice voting record in the Senate for 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.238-239 Aug 1, 2008

Opposed legislation protecting born-alive failed abortions

Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child.

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/10/10/mainstream-media-ignore-obama-s-radical-abortion-record

Mainstream Media Ignore Obama’s Radical Abortion Record

The liberal news media has subjected Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to intense scrutiny concerning her overall pro-life view on abortion, among other issues. On the other hand, they have been all but silent on Barack Obama’s intensely liberal record on abortion issue, particularly his support of partial-birth abortion and his opposition to legislation that would have protected infant abortion survivors from dying of neglect.

In MRC’s October 9 Media Reality Check, "Media Silence on Abortion Aids Radical Obama," Rich Noyes and I outlined how the news media have been out to lunch on examining Barack Obama’s radical pro-abortion stance during the Democratic campaign for the presidential nomination. The report found that the network evening newscasts "barely mentioned Obama’s pro-abortion stance during the primaries — from the launch of his candidacy in January 2007 through the end of the primaries in June 2008, just six out of 1,289 network evening news stories about Obama (0.46%) mentioned his position on abortion; none discussed it in any detail." The media as a whole also punted on Obama’s August 16, 2008 attack on pro-lifers, who in his view, were "lying" about his record as an Illinois state senator of opposing legislation, identical to a federal law, which would have protected infant survivors of abortion. Only a day later, Obama’s own campaign backtracked and admitted that he had indeed voted against this legislation.

The Media Reality Check described how "Obama’s stance protecting partial birth abortions puts him to the left of many liberal Democrats — 17 out of 47 Democratic Senators, including Obama’s running-mate Joe Biden, voted to outlaw such abortions in 2003, a position backed by 75% of the public, according to a 2007 Pew survey." Only three network evening news stories mentioned how Obama supports such procedures, "including an April 21, 2007 CBS Evening News story briefly noting Obama’s condemnation of the Supreme Court for upholding the federal law banning such abortions."

During the August 16, 2008 interview with CBN’s David Brody, Obama went on the offensive against pro-life critics who, for many months, had been decrying his opposition to the Illinois Born-Alive Infant Protection Act during his tenure as an Illinois state statue: "I hate to say that people are lying, but here’s a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely, fully in support of the federal bill. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/10/10/mainstream-media-ignore-obama-s-radical-abortion-record#ixzz1mwTNM75A

Texasguy,

maybe his vote against the partial birth abortion bill is that a lot of money and time was being spent on something that is extremely rarely performed anyways.

I'd say since never. Amen. :o)

"If you want to be a theologian, then become a priest"

I don't know about anyone else, but, I get the feeling from some of the things he says that at some point in his life he wanted to be a Priest, and never made it. Was it that he couldn't bring himself to be celibate all his life? Begetting 8 kids could point to that being an answer. Or, could it have to do with his extreme problem with the evils of masturbation and homosexuality? Or ...could he just not make the grade on some other way?

Also, as a Priest he would not be able to join hold political elective office; "Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices which entail a participation in the exercise of civil power." (Code of Canon Law, can. 285.3)

§2. They are not to have an active part in political parties and in governing labor unions unless, in the judgment of competent ecclesiastical authority, the protection of the rights of the Church or the promotion of the common good requires it."

Source(s): http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__…

But, his extreme desire to be seen as a the 'poster child' for devout Catholicism and Christianity, is sorely tainted by the fact that he deliberately misinforms and lies like a shag rug at the bottom of a pig sty.

He has some serious issues that the American people truly don't need to have forced into their own lives, when the GOPTeaBags have already made our lives as miserable as possible ,and trying to find ways to enslave us even more every day.

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Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

So how would you rate this one?

Hey rick 'ass juice' santorum, DUH, have you not read the first @!$%#ing amendment.

It isn't... unless, like Mr. Santorum, you think that the Bible should take precedence over the founding documents of our secular-by-design society.

Perhaps one of his handler/ flunkies should clue him in to the following:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.-- U.S. Constitution, Article 6.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof-- U.S. Constitution, Amendment #1

EVER

Vote for Rick and he won't give us phony theology, he'll give us real theology in the form of an uptight radical right wing theocracy in which he and his pals will run every aspect of people's lives.

When is Rick going to accuse Obama of being a phony Christian because he can't be seen getting on his knees and praying in an upper White House window three times a day so that the world might see just how holy he truly is.

Or perhaps Obama could go around praying prayers out loud in which he yells out about how happy and blessed above other men he is because he didn't turn out to be nearly as sinful as some of his republican opponents, that would make a nice Pharisaical display of self-righteousness that might actually impress some of Rick's holier than thou crowd. It's all about a nice outward display of pretended holiness.

Maybe it is because he understands what his job is and the meaning of seperation of church and state. - Just a thought -

Maybe it is because he understands what his job is and the meaning of seperation of church and state.

He does understand it well, just as Clinton understood it well. On the other hand, Bush didn't have much of a grasp on it at all. Saintorum probably knows about it but just doesn't care because the crowd he runs with wants to have control over the power of the state so they can enforce their beliefs on the rest of the country. If they have to trample on the constitution in order to do it then by God that's what they'll do.

Everywhere, you just have to read it correctly :P

/s

Mostly on the billboards at every intersections if you live in town like mine.